Deana Paqua is back on the podcast! After her last interview, Patty received lots of questions so she invited Deana back to answer them in more detail.
December 21 Solstice is being mentioned as a very special (some say magical) time. What does that really mean? Deana explains it as it applies to mankind in general.
She also shares that people dealing with difficult circumstances may not be ready to look at or think about the global impact until they’ve had a chance to focus on their immediate needs.
Take time to heal first.
What’s coming is a time of change. She outlines the big picture changes and what we can expect.
This is a time of hope. What can we do to prepare? Deana explains what you can do on the solstice to embrace the new energy and plant seeds for the future.
Patty and Deana also discuss 4 key actions we can all take today to ground ourselves. This episode is full of helpful, hopeful resources that anyone can do.
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0:00:04.3: Welcome to the Space for Magic podcast, where people who are led by their hearts come to learn the secrets to receiving all the gifts the Universe has for us. I’m your host, Patty Lennon. I’m an ex-Type A corporate banker turned intuitive coach using a blend of common sense brain science and just a dash of magic. I’m here to help you create abundance in every area of your life and business.
0:00:28.8: Welcome. Hey everyone, welcome to this episode of the Space for Magic podcast. I’m your host, Patty, and today I have a guest back that we just had in, Deana Paqua, just a few weeks ago, and there’s a special reason why I asked her to come back so quickly, which is that after we aired The podcast with Deana, I was talking more about the work I do with Deana in our group, the receiving school and they had so many questions for her that they want to ask her through me, and I thought, you know what if they have these questions… I bet you do as well. And so if you didn’t listen to that podcast episode, we’ll put a link in the show notes, you can go back and listen to it, but to give you a high-level overview, Deana is a shamanic practitioner, she’s also the person when I refer to my healer, that’s who she’s talking to, we work together right now weekly because the apartment is so cuckoo crazy, I just… I adore her, she’s brilliant at what she does. She’s studied her, her practice, and her work deeply, and she brings so much depth of wisdom to the table, so welcome, Deana.
0:01:46.2: Thank you, Patty. Oh, I really appreciate that. Thanks so much.
0:01:50.2: Oh yeah. I’m one of your biggest fans. So the conversation that instigated the questions, were really just talking about the solstice that’s coming up and the planetary alignment and what it means, which is happening on December 21st, and I wanna get into that, but could you maybe first go into kind of what’s been going on spiritually, energetically, however you wanna phrase it, on the planet for us over the last, whatever, 12 months, six months, fill us in. Yeah.
0:02:27.1: So I’ll do my best to kinda give us some context here, and I always look at these patterns to try to make myself feel better, ’cause I know we can run around and feel like… Am I going crazy? Like why are all these things happening in a short amount of time, or we see consistency and it’s like, well, there’s got to be a reason these things are happening, so if folks have been feeling really overwhelmed… I know this past year has been really, really hard. There are some sort of more cosmic reasons why we’ve been dealing with so much challenge, and it falls into… What I think is really interesting is that it falls into our overlaps, ancient traditions, contemporary astrology, and I’m not an astrologer, so I wanna stay in my own lane, but I can definitely touch on some points and I can also mix in suggestions for people if they wanna explore that further… So what’s been happening? I mean, I’m sure everybody remembers all the big hoopla in 2012, right in the end of the Mayan calendar. And what does that mean? Is the world coming to an end? All that stuff, and obviously it didn’t, but we had some difficult things going on that year for sure, and leading up to that, but what the Mayan elders had said was that it was going to begin the shift of us moving towards a more spiritually-based way of life that would end up being more community-focused rather than just the individual that it would be…
0:04:02.1: We would move back to, which I think I talked about in our last interview, about moving back towards a more respectful and sacred relationship with nature, and then that would be… Changes would be moving us in that direction. Well, it’s been kind of hard to see that, especially in this last year with all the difficulties and challenges showing up, and even the last few years. So what’s been happening, all I can say about this past year is that in January, we moved into quite a bit of Pluto energy. We have Jupiter and Saturn and Pluto conjuncting in the sign of Capricorn. Again, I’m not an astrologer, but I’m Capricorn rising, so I’m a little familiar with Capricorn. And Capricorn is connected more deeply with Saturn, which is the Lord of karma and the taskmaster, and bringing everything to the surface, and in the Andean traditions, they’re calling this time the pachakutic of turning the world upside down and shaking it up and exposing the areas that we need to heal and reform to bring us back to that more egalitarian way of life, in a more sacred relationship with each other and with the planet, etcetera.
0:05:23.9: So the Pluto energy started just really stirring the hornet’s nest back in January, and right after that, we found out about covid, and that sort of turned everything upside down, we have all this political and social unrest unraveling in front of us and everything really being exposed as far as our deepest and most painful wounds in this country, in particular, the inequity, sexism, misogyny, racism, inequality, right, between different social and economic brackets where the weaknesses are in our healthcare field, and who’s been suffering more with the virus, just so many different things being exposed… Well, that was meant to happen. So we’re not insane. We’re not crazy. So seeing all these things and maybe a lot of folks experience that in their personal lives, I know that the pandemic has amplified a lot of areas for all of us where we need to work on either ourselves or taking better care of ourselves, self-care, taking care of our families and also revealing areas that we need to change and work on, so our personal shadow in the collective shadow, so all that Pluto energy was stirring the hornets’ nest with that this past year in particular, and in the tarot that’s connected to the Tower card.
0:06:58.6: Which is like everything just being broken down, we’re being flung out the window, the towers burning down, and that’s a lot of what we’re seeing in our society is like the old structures are falling down, breaking down in front of us, and we’re going to need to rebuild but the exciting thing that in the tarot is that after the tower comes the star, and I learned this from Sherry Whitfield, who’s one of my teachers and I’m studying. Taro was her right now, and I could… I could tell you, I don’t know how many times I pulled that darn Tower card. In the spring and into the summer, it’s like every week, it’s like, Could I just get through a week without pulling this darn card with everything in a Warner’s, the demerits like everything’s like the devil and the tower, Jeff. But that’s that energy. Now, Pluto is the energy of death, but it’s also rebirth, it’s ending. It’s also beginnings, it’s the shadow, but bringing it into the light in the last month, it’s like it’s leading up to this time of December 21st, which is the exciting thing that you and I were talking about, and what we’re gonna share today is that after the tower comes the star and the Tarot, the Star card is hope.
0:08:24.8: It’s the light. It’s also associated with the sign Aquarius, and on December 21st, we’re gonna have this great conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn in.01 degrees Aquarius, so right on the Winter Solstice, which is the day that we honor the return of the light, the days start to get the longest night of the year, but then after that, or day start getting shorter. Yay. We have more sunlight, so it’s literally the day that we honor the return of the light and we’re moving all this energy into the sign of Aquarius, which is literally the seed planting of The Age of Aquarius, so… Can.
0:09:11.3: I stop you right there and… ’cause I want them to check in with you on two things… Well, first, I wanna go back to something that you said earlier, because I know it was something I can trigger people, and you said We meant to happen, and sometimes if an individual experience feels really difficult, maybe someone lost someone suddenly to covid or they lost a job that they really loved retail almost cruel. Can you just speak a little bit more to what you… Manby, this was meant to happen ’cause I know you, I know you. And I think along the same lines of, you know, not everything is destiny and… Yeah, go ahead.
0:09:50.3: Right now, we’re just talking about the greater patterns, not like the individual suffering of people, so the individual suffering is something we need to honor and we need to respect, and we need to take care of people and take care of each other. So when we have these bigger patterns, obviously we’ve lost a lot of people to covid, so just even though it’s a pattern of the shadows being revealed and difficulties and challenges coming to the forefront doesn’t eliminate the suffering of individual people or even our own suffering. I think I’ve shared the story with the group about the car accident that I was in over 20 years ago that got me onto my healing path really more directly, and there was a lot of suffering with that situation, and I don’t wanna sugar-coat it for people so when we lose loved ones when we lose people that we love when we lose things that are important to us, just because there’s a greater pattern of change that’s happening cosmically, doesn’t mean that that’s not legit. Well, I should just automatically think it’s okay that the shit hit the fan in my life because there’s this greater pattern, no, we still need to nurse the wounds and take care of ourselves and be compassionate towards each other, and maybe down the road, when we look back, we can see, Oh yeah, there was a lot of stuff going on at that time.
0:11:24.0: And you’ll see like, what came after that? But there are people that probably may never… I don’t wanna put this out there, but I’m just trying to be realistic here that lost so much, maybe they won’t recover, maybe they won’t see a light at the end of the tunnel, maybe it’s not possible, but that’s where we really need to come together as a community, this energy that we’re moving into is, we’re supposed to be taking care of each other, so that should lessen are suffering when we have other people to lean on. And.
0:11:58.8: That was my other question was, you know what I see so much now that I focus the majority of my time teaching concepts around receiving and teaching and learning them myself at the same time, of course. But in the receiving school and some of the other stuff I do, I just see so much that the thing most people struggle to receive is their own pain, and isn’t that part of our shadow is how much we’ve… I don’t know if it’s idealized or just encouraged or something that jumping over pain, leaping over pain, and I would say almost the spiritual community is more responsible for this idea than anyone is this idea that we can just… If you’re in this real hardcore capitalist place, it’s like just suck it up and get the job done, but in the spiritual or spend a lot of ideas of what you were just speaking about, I see the greater pattern, there is a purpose to all this, and there isn’t really a lot of space that encourages people to really honor what’s happening for them and also that communal responsibility to care for neighbors.
0:13:18.7: Exactly, and I think how I see it is… I agree with you, I think the spiritual community has done a lot of spiritual bypassing, and I’m sure I’ve been guilty of it myself over the years of just wanting to look on the bright side to find that spark of light in a dark situation… Right, but we’re honestly here to be fully human, and that includes the suffering and the hardship and the losses, and to be honest, some situations will just never be okay. I’ve worked with parents who have lost children, that to me has to be like the biggest and hardest loss that a human being can experience, and I’m not a parent, but I have parents, so I know some of what they’ve experienced over the years, but it’s… In certain situations, something like that may never be okay, but that doesn’t mean that as a human being, that your life can’t have meaning or that you won’t eventually be okay after a lot of healing, but it’s kind of both. It’s how I see it is, we’re here to be fully human and experience everything there is to be human, including all of the emotions and feelings, the joys, the sorrows, the losses, the tragedies, all of it.
0:14:48.6: And at the same time, when it feels appropriate and it feels okay to also see a greater pattern, Oh, other people are experiencing losses too, or Gee, that time, there was a lot of stuff going on in a similar area. Isn’t that interesting? But when you’re right in the middle of it, that’s probably not the time to do it. So we have to give ourselves space for whatever it is that we need to experience in the moment, for somebody who’s not being dragged through the mud at this particular moment, being able to look at these conjunctions and patterns might be fine for them, somebody who’s in the middle of some big trauma or loss, no, they’ve got other stuff, they gotta put the fire out first, so there’s… Stages is how I see it. Like I remember when I was in the hospital, I was at Danbury Hospital, so I had just gotten out of ICU. Here I am, 30 years old and I couldn’t even wipe my ass by myself… Right. So it was a little bit of a challenge there. And I had asked one of my friends to bring me a spiritual… Some kind of spiritual book.
0:16:02.6: And he’s like, Yeah, sure. And he picked me up Louise Hay’s You Can Heal Your Life, and I remember opening it up here at laying in bed, I can’t even slide the bedpan under my own ass at that point… Right, and it starts talking about how you’re responsible for your own health and that you draw experiences into your life, I was like, Fuck this Man, do not have the brainpower right now for this, and I was like, This is not… I just can’t do it right now. So I had to get through the really hard stuff first like I had to figure out, I’m gonna lift myself up so I can slide the bedpan under my own butt, how am I going to get strong enough that I can start walking again? How am I gonna put my life back together after being out of work for how many months, how am I gonna recover from all these surgeries that was not the time to all of a sudden come from this higher place of… Gee, maybe I drew… One of the reasons why that happened was because I needed to make this big change, maybe it was part of my life lessons in that moment, that was not the time for me to be thinking or looking about that two or three years later.
0:17:14.2: Absolutely. Now, I definitely can do it, so it’s like we have to really honor the time and the space that we’re in with whatever is coming up and not try to push through it or poo-poo ourselves because we feel like crap, that’s something just happened. So.
0:17:36.1: Thank you. Yeah. Alright. So what can we look forward to?
0:17:41.5: Right, so think or I hope, I know you and I, and then I hope some of your listeners, we need something to feel hopeful about it. Everything’s been so challenging this year has been really hard, so many of us. So what’s coming with this December 21st conjunction is the seed planting of The Age of Aquarius, and Aquarius is the sign of the humanitarian, of the visionary of technology and innovation, but for the benefit of all… So rather than it being just used in certain areas for more selfish purposes, this is really about us coming together, helping each other moving forward in that more unity-based way, that those of us who are thinking about the more spiritual way of life… That’s exactly… This is gonna give us the energy to help make that happen rather than fighting against this Pluto, the shadow energy that’s just dredging up the hornets’ nest, it’s like, yes, we see the hornets’ nest and now we have some flashlight to shine on it, and also there’s light coming over the horizon. And the other exciting thing that I learned from my dear friend, Laura Watkin, she’s an amazing astrologer, is that coming up in February is…
0:19:05.0: There will be, and I don’t have the exact dates or anything like that, but she shared with me, we will have six planets in Aquarius all at the same time, so that is a lot of energy to move us forward, it’s also going to be changed and we may not all like how that’s gonna look, but it’s going to be changed for the better, so it’s like now there’s hope, this is the Star card, that there’s hope after all this horror, and this will be unfolding for a great deal of time, so it’s gonna be like this is a 1-00-year cycle that we’re talking about here, so it’s not gonna be that everything all of a sudden is bunnies and cupcakes and rainbows and unicorns in five minutes, but we are laying the groundwork and we have that cosmic support for moving forward in a better way. So rather than trying to fight against the grain of what’s going on, so I think it’s very exciting, I think that there’s a lot of hope and it’s not gonna be easy, but this is about us coming together, this is what the ancient cultures, the Andean people, the Mayan, people who have retained their ancestral wisdom, they’ve talked about these times, even the 13 indigenous grandmothers, grandmothers from all over the world back in 2016, right after the election, they talked about this time that we’re in now, in the last few years of being the College of the time of the goddess College, which again is like that tower energy coming in and breaking down the old systems, but then so we can rebuild so that it’s better for everyone, rather than it just being a few people here and there doing great and then many others not doing well.
0:21:11.3: So yeah, that’s so helpful and hopeful to hear, and if we have time, I’m gonna talk about two things I was shown in meditations over the last two years… Over the last year, I’m curious to get your feedback on it. I may have shared these with you too, but before I go into that, I know one of the big questions for my community was, Is there things we can do to prepare for the 21st to open ourselves up to this energy? And I know on the day we’re recording this, for those of you listening, we’re recording this Orly, so this may not be even open ’cause I know it’s limited availability, but I know the day that this episode drops, you are doing an online event, so… Can you just talk about what that event is and then maybe people can’t participate in that, what are some things they can do to open up their energy leading up to the 21st…
0:22:09.2: Okay, yeah, so I believe it’s on the 16th and it’s on my website. On My Classes page, I have a winter solstice healing circle, so we’re going to be talking about the winter solstice as it occurs every year, but also welcoming in this energy of light, and we’ll talk about similar things to what we’ve just discussed here, and then do some meditations and healing practices to work with the Aquarian energy to connect with the meaning of this time that’s coming, and then do some seed planting, like what… Doing a visualization or meditation for incorporating what we want to create for ourselves in our community, so think about the energy of Aquarius being the humanitarian and the visionary, so how can we harness that and what would we wanna see happen for ourselves and our loved ones in our communities working with it that way, and then for folks like on an individual level, and I know we talked about this last time. One of the things that I love to do that I feel like from my own training with my indigenous teachers has become a big focus in my spiritual work as giving offerings, so I would go out on the day of the solstice and give some kind of offering and that could be your favorite herbs or some sugar or honey, some chocolate, except if you have dogs, we don’t wanna leave chocolate on the ground and just say some prayers thanking your own ancestors, thinking your guides and angels, and asking for what you would like to see happen going forward, what seeds do you wanna plant for the new year and thinking about what this Aquarian energy harnesses and how can you tap into that and then give your offering…
0:24:14.4: Like this year, I’ve already decided, I know what my offering is gonna be a combination of rose petals for love, St. John’s wort, which is a plan for bringing in the light and then star anise for connecting with the stars, and then just… You can stand outside if it’s a nice night outside, bring in that starlight and just fill yourself up with the starlight and then release anything heavy that you might be carrying into the earth, so filling up with Starlight, releasing what’s heavy into the earth and just do it as long as you need to until you feel a shift, and that should help.
0:24:56.4: That people… And if you’re wanting to see you… So Deana has limited spots in this healing circle, and that’s why I know by the day this drops, there may not be spots available, but you can go to embodythesacred.net and go to her classes page at classes and events, and you’ll see the registration for that there, and if you’re listening to this on the day it drops then, go do it now because today is the day.
0:25:22.3: Right, I would love so I’ll see folks there. That would be great. Yeah.
0:25:26.6: And also you do have some virtual private sessions to be able as well, so… Exactly, that you… Not for this day in particular. Just you can work with Deana privately and the information on how to do that is there… Okay, so I wanna run two things by you and just see if you’ve seen anything similar, when we first went into isolation in March and the covid was just becoming understood and known and more at home, and there was so much going on, there was a series of messages I got… While I was actually watching receiving school, why I was doing live training, one thing I was shown and I never got complete clarity on, it was almost like there was… I was seeing the Earth as a topographical map, and there was this liquid and the liquid was money, and that what it was showing me was that going forward, part of covid, but part of the purpose of covid was to shift the gravitational pull of money and that right now on our planet, the gravitational pull of money goes towards these power centers, and it was showing me like New York and Hong Kong and some other places, but what’s going to happen is there’s almost this quality to the gravitational pull that it would go to where the biggest groups were on this topographical map, and I felt like it was where the need was, I don’t honestly know for sure because I never really got more clarity beyond that, but I did get this piece that part of the shift that was happening was for the way that money flowed to shift and I’m just curious, it seems like it matches up to what you’re saying about this humanitarian ship, which I really hadn’t studied before you and I talked about last week or the week before.
0:27:27.7: So have you gotten anything like that or does that sound like it makes sense?
0:27:34.2: Oh, definitely, yeah. I think it’s highlighting a particular area that we could talk about, our western culture here that we know is very money-driven, trade by corporations and big money, and it seems like the decisions that are made rather than being for the greater good are to line certain pocketbooks as like the first focus with the energies of the Aquarius that we’re moving into, and what covid being in this time of Pluto of revealing where our faults and areas of healing need to be, certainly greed and money being funneled into the certain pocketbooks. So to speak of big corporations, etcetera, rather than going out to in a more equal way, like you’re saying, I think that that was showing like a big money has driven our culture for quite a while, so I think that that will be an area where there’s definitely some changes and moving into this more equal society, so that will be great. So I agree with you, I think that that makes perfect sense and it falls in with these patterns that we’re talking about…
0:28:54.5: Yeah, that makes me feel very hopeful. So the other thing was, which is, it’s less questionable now because you just described this calling energy that came through was, I was away a couple of months ago by myself in the cape and I was by the water, just you again going inward, going inward once again, and I saw this huge wave of Kali energy or this wave that Kali was essentially managing or sort of it, and he just took the legs out from underneath people and what I had heard at the time and that it was gonna go from about… I’m trying to remember now, but I feel like it was gonna go from October 16th to someday. Maybe the first week, I November. And then interestingly enough, it actually, I thought I was being shown something that was kind of global and maybe it was, but it definitely happened in my life, so I kind of thought, Oh, I’ve done all my healing work because this… What this was gonna do was, if knock the legs out from under me, things that were not true for the part, which you actually described way more beautifully, and I got it.
0:30:09.2: I’ve done all this work this year, I’ve done all this work at my life, and there my legs got knocked out from underneath me, and I have you in my life, I have my tapping therapists and between the two of you, you really helped me stand back up I’m curious what someone can do on their own if they don’t have access to a practitioner when they really feel that their legs have been kinda knocked out from underneath them…
0:30:41.9: Well, the first thing to do is put the fire out. Take care of whatever the immediate situation requires, and then once that’s been handled to the best of everybody’s ability is reach for support, so even if it’s not a practitioner, where… Can you get whatever support you need? Ask people for help and resources. A lot of times there are free things, and I know you put out a lot of free information, and I have things I can refer people too, but there’s resources available, so don’t be afraid to ask for help, don’t feel like you need to handle whatever it is that happened all by yourself. That’s this bullshit and part of our culture that teaches us that we have to be an individual. I have to do everything myself, it’s like, No. Then why weren’t we all born on our individual private islands someplace that’s… We’re meant to work together. So reach out for whatever help you can, and then one thing that I refer, everybody will listen, it’s really something simple that you can go grab at CVS, believe it or not, and it’s called Rescue Remedy, and it’s a very gentle remedy, its blend of flower essences, it’s become so widely accepted now that you don’t have to just go to the health food store to find it, you can find it in regular old CVS, and they have little gummies, they have pellets that you can put in under your tongue, they have sprays and drops, and it really helps to…
0:32:27.7: When there’s been some kind of trauma or some kind of shock or something that just kinda knocks the wind out your sails, whatever it is, it really can just help to ground you and take the edge off, maybe it’s the booze that’s in it. I don’t know, I’m just kidding. But you really can… Well, maybe it really can, it really helps to heal on a deep level, so it comes from flowers, and if you think about just how beautiful flowers are, how could they not have healing properties? So there’s a whole modality of working with flower essences, but it’s so easy to just grab some rescue remedy and you can use it with your pets, with babies, it’s so gentle, there’s no contraindications, so it can help with sleep and anxiety and fear, and I think It’s alleviating the fear. That’s probably the biggest thing. So if we can take the edge off the fear, then we can make better decisions and choose a better direction in how to move forward, so I would say Use the Rescue Remedy, some grounding crystals like black tourmaline selenide, which is great for cleansing your energy field. Rose quartz for love.
0:33:47.9: So just like having a few stones, lavender essential oil, you can find that even at the drug store nowadays, just taking a little whiff of that, so having these little tools available are very helpful and grounding. That’s like a big thing. Everybody talks, I was like, what does that mean? I mean, just rooting yourself to the earth, literally imagining that you have Roots coming out of your feet and going into the earth, standing on the Earth. I tell my students, my Westcott students, wiggle your fingers and toes. Get yourself back in your body. When we start to spin out, it’s because we’re not in our body, so when you get back in your body, you can make better decisions and you’ll feel more centered, just connecting with nature… I know it’s extremely cold about it, as enjoyable as it was over the summer and even into the fall, but getting outside, smelling the fresh air, just noticing different elements of nature and what’s beautiful and what you can appreciate. I’m sure, I know, I know you and I know what you teach and would imagine a gratitude is a big part of what you teach, so listing three things a day, I know in the beautiful journal that you gave me, we have the three appreciation.
0:35:10.8: So doing that, very important. So those tools, I think, are easy for people to… Are accessible to people. And that we can all do. We just have to do them to do…
0:35:29.3: When the shit hits the fan, you almost just… You do go into, there’s the fight, the flight, or the freeze… A lot of times you’re in a freeze and then you’re like… You just want someone to be there with you in that moment and tell you what to do, which is fair, that that’s what you like, but then things that can get you into motion again, and then I know Dana always gives homework when you leave a session with Tina and I know oftentimes my homework is an Epsom salt bath, so on the shore is also a great one, we… Absolutely, yeah, so much. So much good information here, Deana, thank you so much. So for those of you with a go-to embodythesacred.net, I highly encourage you to sign up for Deana’s list so that you know when she’s doing events, even if you can’t do the one today or the day that this drops. But if you did wanna do that healing circle, definitely check it on the classes and events page, and then any last words of wisdom that you wanna leave everyone with, Deana?
0:36:32.0: Yeah, Thank you, Patty, and thanks for all of that… Yeah, I just wanna touchback in briefly and what you asked me about before, to just remind people that just because we look at these bigger patterns of the string, the hornets nest with Pluto and then we’re welcoming in the Aquarian energy, that it doesn’t deny the human experience in any way, and that people suffering is legit, and we need to take the time to grieve, you and I are bith going through grieving processes and it’s… You really need to give space for that, and that’s… We’re here to be fully human like I love my teachers from the Andes because they’re not trying to become saints or holy people, even though they’re pretty darn awesome, they’re here to be fully human. And I really feel like that’s what I aspire to be like. We don’t have to… Some things really suck, and you don’t have to just immediately look for the bright side of that situation, just really allow yourself to feel that experience, and then at a certain point, you may wanna shift your focus to something else, go back to it is… Life is a very rich experience and we’re really here to experience all of it and to help each other through it and not try to do it all by ourselves.
0:38:01.9: Yeah, that is such a good teaching, and I know you are one of the first people in sort of the second half of my life where I’ve really been on this journey that helped me really embrace… Like, it’s okay to be silly, it’s okay to have fun when other people are suffering, it’s okay to be suffering when you’re in pain, it’s really okay to be yourself and… Yeah, thank you. Well, thank you so much, Deana, I so appreciate you being here.
0:38:34.5: Oh, thank you, party. It’s a pleasure, always. And.
0:38:37.6: For you listening. Thank you for being here with us on this journey. Definitely check out Deana, I adore her. I can stand behind everything she does, and she is one of my favorite teachers on this journey, so I hope you’ve enjoyed this, thank you for being there with us and whatever you need to do this week to create space for magic, please do it.
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