Patty has a very special guest on this episode! She’s interviewing Deana Paqua, her shamanic practitioner. They dive into a discussion about the world-wide crisis facing us today. Deana explains why there is a reckoning that’s happening everywhere.
Like many of us, she was on a path in life that was okay until it wasn’t. A significant health issue at a young age motivated her to find holistic healing modalities. A few years later, another dramatic event moved her to find her ultimate purpose in life. Her holistic approach to health gave her the foundation for energy work.
In her words “she transformed into a completely different person” and helping others is not just what she does, it’s her life’s mission.
She shares how to ask for clear and specific signs, and a practice that anyone can implement. Don’t miss her guidance about how to have faith when you need to know that the Universe has your back.
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00:04: Welcome to the Space for Magic podcast, where people who are led by their hearts come to learn the secrets to receiving all the gifts the Universe has for us. I’m your host, Patty Lennon, I’m an ex-Type A corporate banker turned intuitive coach using a blend of common sense, brain science, and just a dash of magic. I’m here to help you create abundance in every area of your life and business. Welcome. Hey, welcome everyone to this episode of the space or magic podcast. Now, I know that we have some listeners that have been waiting for the guest I have for you today, I have Deana Paqua with me, and Deana is a shamanic practitioner, but if you’ve heard me talk about… I used to call her my shaman, she actually corrected me and we’ll talk a little bit about why that is, why she goes by a different term than what I was using, and why I got it wrong, or sometimes I refer to Deana as my energy healer or my healer, when you’ve heard me reference that person, it’s Deana, so I’m so excited to have her on the podcast. Deana’s so many things, among other things, she teaches at West Con, our local university, she runs workshops, she runs healing circles, and we’re gonna get into more about what she does, I asked her to join us because I think we’re in such an interesting part of this planet’s evolution and she’s, over the years, she has always helped me to see it through the eyes of love and clarity in a way that sometimes I can’t always get to.
01:44: So Deana, welcome.
01:46: Thank you, Patty. Oh, this is so much fun. I’m so glad to be here with you and to share this experience.
01:53: Yeah, yeah, and so for you guys listening, I’m doing the receiving school right now you’re running it, and so I see Deana every week, that was a new commitment I made to myself to help support me, and you’ve helped me before, especially after the death of my parents, going through so many different things, but why don’t you tell… Let’s start with explaining the difference, I wanna just jump into this, explain the difference between what it means to be a shaman and what it means to be a shamanic practitioner, ’cause I think that’s an important differentiation, and it was one that as far as long as I knew you, I wasn’t even referring to properly.
02:33: Okay, yeah, thanks, Patty. And that’s a common issue in my field, I guess, and it’s been spoken about and written about a lot, and there’s a lot of different opinions as you can imagine, but here’s where I come from with it. So from my perspective, being a Westerner, being an American of all different ancestry, the term shaman actually comes from a particular tribal region in Siberia, the Evenki tribal region, and it’s a title for a very specific type of medicine person or healer within that tribe, and it basically refers to male practitioners, believe it or not, who are chosen by their ancestors at a very young age usually, and the person goes through great trials, could be a serious illness or an accident, or even a mental illness, and they struggle and suffer quite a bit and it’s only through a spiritual intervention that they’re healed, so it’s not like your regular everyday medicines that help the person… I actually have to go through the spiritual crisis, and then there might be an elder shaman within the tribe that sees what’s happening and supports them and helps them, but they’re really… It’s a very spiritual choice by the spirits that choose this person, and the way that they do their healing is very culturally specific, life, culturally specific ritual ceremonies, practices and ways of doing their healing that’s particular to that tribe over the years, various anthropologists who have gone to study with them in that region, just took that title and decided to apply it to any traditional medicine person or even people who study traditional healing ways from indigenous cultures, and that’s really not accurate, it’s another example of cultural appropriation and really colonial entitlement in our culture where we just think we can take things without permission, so permission was never given to take that title and just use it in this generalized way.
04:55: So as a shamanic practitioner, I’ve studied some of the traditional ways of healing from these traditions, and I’ve also had teachers from South America, from the Andes and from North America, and Sabato… People would call all of that Shamanism, and it’s really not. There’s a lot of different practices that go within the realms of healing that I’ve studied and many others have studied, so it could be anything from working with plants and stones and connecting with nature, to connecting with different types of spirit guides and angels, but the shamanic part that comes from that area in Siberia, is when you go into the spirit world, or directly with the spirits. But the way that it’s done in that tribe is very culturally specific, but what’s adapted from them is this way of meditating and journeying basically the shamanic journey practice, where you can learn to connect with different spirit guides and go into the spirit world and do the healing in the spirit world. So there are techniques that various anthropologists have learned over the years that they’ve been able to teach to most people, but it’s a far cry from being an actual shaman from those tribes where you’re learning from a young age very specific rituals and ceremonies and ways of working with nature and making offerings, so that’s why I lean far away from calling myself that title, but it’s become very popularized through anthropologists, through different teachers, and I try to really honor and respect those traditions because I really do love them so much and I feel like…
06:49: What’s been shared with us in contemporary culture, we really need to respect it and treat it as sacred.
06:57: Okay, so that… That’s such a good background because I have… I’ve done that unconsciously, called you a shaman and referred to shamans and did it from that unconscious place, and I think we’re suffering from that a lot in this country, is this unconscious approach to a lot of aspects of what we do, and… I’m just wondering if you have thoughts on… We’re at this place in this world, evolution, this country’s evolution, this world’s evolution, and there’s certainly crisis, and then there’s also this evolution that’s happening, and I’m just curious, what are your thoughts on how much of it’s crisis as a result of this colonialism patriarchy, everything that we know is one-sided versus this respect for the Earth, for nature, for indigenous cultures, for all of it. I’m gonna stop talking because I think I’m hoping you found something in there to reply to.
08:13: Yeah, I think I can work with this. Certainly, I’m not an expert in this area, but I have certainly heard from my teachers over the years and different indigenous cultures, elders, and they all are really kind of saying the same thing, unless I’m just really just listening to the same messages over and over again, but here’s what I’ve heard, and I really do believe myself, so here in the US and the West, our foundation is kind of shaky, right. We have a shaky foundation in this culture of slavery and the treatment of the First Nations people, the Native American tribes when the Europeans came here, so not really a good start, and then you also have the patriarchy, which has really been a global thing, and how women are treated people of color, racism, that’s of course, a big problem here in the US, but also worldwide. So it’s not just us here. So what I’ve been hearing and what I also feel too, is that we’re really kind of in this time, so this crisis that we’re in is really a time of reckoning, so it’s really a time of facing our past and really owning up to it, making amends, reparations whatever is the most appropriate and suitable way to deal with these things, and I certainly…
09:40: Again, I’m not an expert in all of that. There’s a lot of thought and a lot of planning that would need to go into ways of dealing with law that how we’ve treated the earth like you mentioned. So since industrialization, there’s been a huge decline in how we respect the environment and all the things that we dump into the water and the land, and how we treat the crops and the animals that we eat, so all these things that our ancestors really knew how to… See, our ancestors and all of these traditional cultures, the indigenous cultures that are still around, that haven’t lost these ways, we really all kind of did the same things they had to to survive, so they lived a more spiritual way of life. They lived in harmony with nature, they worked along with the cycles and seasons, they weren’t dumping chemicals into the earth, they were respecting the earth because they knew their very lives depended on it. So what I’m hearing from my teachers is this calling of looking at our shadow both individually and with our culture, and then also coming to a place of working together for the Earth and for each other, so it’s really about being…
11:00: Going back to a more heart-centered and compassionate and spiritual way of life and living in sacred connection with the earth and with nature and with the cycles and seasons, and then learning how to treat each other with more equality. Some of my teachers up in the Andes, they have one of their most powerful teachings, and one of their most important teachings is known as in A-Y-N-I kind of sounds a little like Hine, but it’s not… But what it is is sacred reciprocity, so it’s how they live in everyday life, it’s how they treat nature and work with Mother Earth in a sacred partnership, so they’re not just taking from the earth, they’re also giving back and living harmoniously. It’s how they treat each other. They have very strong moral codes for their society, so they expect that everyone treats each other with respect and kindness and you help your neighbor, and then someone else will help you when you need it, so it’s like… This community is… I don’t even think they have in their language word for I, the individual, it’s we… So we have become this individualized society, or it’s all about the individual and me me me, right.
12:28: And we’ve really glorified greed and worship celebrities and material things, and we’ve fallen away from the traditional ways of our ancestors, so this crisis, crises that we’re experiencing, I believe, is to guide us back to some of these more sustainable ways of our ancestors.
12:53: That’s beautiful, I’m sure people are listing to me thinking like, Oh, she’s different than us, and I’ve explained this to people like how not different, you’re you and I are actually very similar in the like just the way we are personality-wise and stuff. But maybe you could talk about the journey that brought you here ’cause you weren’t always doing this work… Right. No, it’s.
13:21: Definitely not a conventional path in Western society, for sure, and it wasn’t a part of my family history. Recent history, that’s for sure. My dad was a chef, and my mom was a stay-at-home mom, and she also worked at the same company as my dad in the marketing department, so it was you… And I was an Art Director and Graphic Designer for many years in corporate America. So yeah, I used to be normal. Not really, but yeah, so what got me to what I’m doing now, it was really probably similar to a lot of people that you work with and talked to… Our own healing journey. So my healing journey really sort of amplified… My senior year in college, I found out I had cancer, so that’s always like a shock and a wake-up call, and it really freaked me out to be 21 years old and worrying if you’re gonna die, and I was always an anxious kid, and that just really amplified my anxiety, and I developed this form of OCD, and it was the time when AIDS and HIV were just sort of coming out and it wasn’t known right away how exactly you might get it, and I was going to test it all the time, I was convinced I was gonna die, and I just could not stop, even though I had good results and everything, and I still couldn’t relax about it, so it became like this OCD, and I went to psychologists and psychiatrists and therapists, and I just could not stop.
15:02: So I have great compassion for people with any kind of mental health issues, it really was like being in a mental prison, and finally I started exploring alternative or complementary medicine, everything from nutrition to chiropractic, to yoga, to meditation, to affirmations. This was back to 25 plus years ago, so there was only one shelf in the bookstore when we went to bookstores of this kind of thing, but it really spurred me because I was starting to feel better with some of the things that I was learning about, and so that really laid a foundation for me of holistic or integrative medicine practices really being the way to go when we need healing, that it’s often not a one-shot deal or one thing that might help someone feel better, you might have to put together like a whole program of integrative approaches. So I had that foundation. I was also very open spiritually, I took a class in world religions in college, and that kind of opened me up to other spiritual paths, and I was like, You know, they’re all kind of saying the same thing, so that sort of opened that doorway, and I was very sensitive to spirits and energy from when I was a small child, but didn’t really have…
16:25: My parents didn’t really understand what that was about. So I didn’t really have any kind of support in that area. So I kinda just put it on the back burner as much as I could, but I was open to angels. I prayed a lot because of struggling with the OCD, and I had some pretty profound experiences. So that was the foundation. And then I was in the corporate world at that time. As a graphic designer, I enjoyed my work, the creative part of it, I did not enjoy some of the other elements of being in the corporate world, but I also knew I was not on the right path, there was something really deep inside me that knew that I was supposed to be of service, and I always felt that I was supposed to be a teacher, but I didn’t really… I had taken some classes to get towards a master’s in teaching, but I never finished it, and then when I was 30 years old, I was in a near-fatal car accident, so this was the really big catalyst and where I learned… Some of the most profound lessons about surrender, which I think is a great tool in times when we really have no control and there’s so much chaos going on around us.
17:36: So I was 30 years old, and I was driving home from the movies, and I was following my ex-husband ’cause we took separate cars after work, and it was literally one of those things, I was five minutes from home, it was dark and somebody hit me head-on and the impact speed was 85 miles an hour. Wow. Yeah, so the whole front end of my car came in, I shattered both my femurs, broke my rib cage, collapsed both lungs, lacerated my liver, multiple soft tissue injuries, I had a really bad whiplash, a bunch of things, cuts and all kinds of fun things. And I stopped breathing because you collapse both your lungs, doesn’t really give you an opportunity to breathe, so I was sitting there and I’m trying to breathe, nothing’s happening and I’m like, Okay, I’m on a back road. I don’t think EMTs are gonna get to me for a while, and sure enough, it took them like 25-30 minutes to get to me. I said, Okay, and I really didn’t have any kind of medical background at the time, but I don’t think you can live very long if you can’t breathe…
18:50: Well, this is going through my head. And I thought, Well, do I wanna die? I literally could have closed my eyes and gone… It would have been so easy. And I thought, Well, I’m an only child. Parents won’t survive that. My former husband, we were still married at the time, and he had lost his best friend of the year before to cancer, I was… He’s not gonna be able to deal with losing both of us, and I thought, I haven’t done… When I came to this planet to do, I just knew that. So I said, Alright, God, You gotta help me. Because I can’t do this on my own. And as soon as I said that prayer, something happened and I was able to breathe enough to survive, and I’ve worked with enough doctors and enough nurses since then that I’ve said that pretty much doesn’t happen when you collapse your lungs and break your rib cage like it just doesn’t happen. So I felt this divine intervention, literally, and I was held in the state of what I call divine grace, because it was the state of pure unconditional love where I felt like this warmth and support, and I knew I was gonna be okay no matter what happened.
20:08: And I just held on to that and you know, I had to go to the hospital, of course, and I went through many hours of surgery, days in ICU. I was on a ventilator, I was given a 50-50 chance of survival. I needed three surgeries to put my leg back together, the doctor said, Well, we don’t know if you’re gonna walk again, and I walked within six weeks, I was back to work in three and a half months, and I knew that it was gonna take a lot to heal from that. So I literally put together like a whole holistic health program for myself to recover, because I needed more than physical therapy and I wouldn’t take any pain medication. So I was doing a lot of the things that I learned about, and I also realized that I was meant to help others, and so five years later, I got my license to practice massage, I went to school for massage therapy, I studied Reiki have miraculous results with that… So I started off with those things and then continued to study energy medicine because I really found that to be the most gentle and the most profound, and so a year after that, something told me when I was at work, I just got a message that I needed to work with a shaman, I had no idea of what one was back then, and a month later, one was on the door step of where I was working, so I worked with him for about a year, and then I started meeting different indigenous people, indigenous healers, traditional healers, they all have different names in each of their tribes, so they have particular names for their healers, so I started meeting teachers from the Andes from here in North America, First Nations people, Tibet, and I found that they really believe the same things I do, and obviously, I’ve been practicing them a lot longer, which is that mind, body, spirit connection, that the spiritual aspect of healing is really the foundation, and that working with energy can really free people up to heal themselves.
22:17: So that’s how I got into this. So I’ve been practicing now over 20 years, and pretty much right away, I’d say, early on, I started teaching reiki as soon as I was trained to do that, and I’ve just been teaching ever since, and then about seven or eight years ago, I was invited to teach as part of the adjunct faculty at Western Connecticut here in Danbury. So that has been one of the greatest joys of my life. And one of my colleagues who read my natal chart and astrology said that my destiny was to be the humble teacher of great heroes. That’s beautiful. So that I know what I’m here on this planet to do, and I live it with every cell of my body every day to the best of my ability.
23:14: So a couple of questions. First is, do you think the accident was something you chose as a soul before you came here, was it a gift that the spirit world decided you needed or was it something that happened without spiritual motivation, that then you made a spiritual choice from…
23:42: Yeah, you know, it’s interesting, I’ve thought about it many different ways, and being here in our human form, it’s sometimes hard to really know for sure… Right, like what was going on there. I definitely feel like it was divine intervention in some way, I never felt… There was only a brief amount of time that I really felt victimized by it because someone did hit me, so there was a process there, but it really didn’t last long, I really felt like what I got out of it was such a profound healing, wisdom, knowledge. A gift. So I feel like, on some level, my soul chose some aspects of it, but I also kinda joke around that I was obviously off my path, and I felt like my guides and the spirits were like, You know what, she’s not listening to us was gotta wake her ass up. So I feel like there was probably some part of me that said, Okay, if I don’t wake up by this time, you guys gotta really hit me hard, but also I really am a big believer in astrology, and when you have your natal chart read, it’s like Is there a free will because, Oh my God, this is really specific part of my life lesson was to learn through pain, so I don’t know, I must have been real cocky over on the other side and that out, but…
25:05: Oh yeah, yeah, that accident where I smashed my legs into a bunch of different… Yeah, I’ll take that. So I’m not really sure, but I really feel like there was some element of choice in some elements of destiny with it, because it was… So I really just transformed into a completely different person from that experience, and I really feel like it’s been such a profound gift in my life in so many ways, and I’ve been able to utilize it to help others, and I always felt like if any bit of what I went through helps one person, then it’s totally worth it, now I feel like I could be imagining things, but I do feel like it has given inspiration to others over the years, and someday I’ll get my book finished. It’s been in the works for years, as I’m sure you hear from many people, you know… Now, there’s more to add to it. So there you go. You coming right. Okay.
26:11: So the other question I have so many things. First of all, I know just me personally, how much you’ve affected my life, and then the ripple effects of me sharing those lessons with my audience, and then all the other people I know that I’ve worked with you, I just know just my own personal contact, how much of a difference you’ve made on this planet so I can affirm that you’re nailing it, Deana.
26:34: Oh my God. Well, thank you. Most days it doesn’t feel like that, but occasionally I hear things like this, so I’m grateful. Trust me, grateful.
26:43: So you said there was a shaman on the door step of your business, and before you answer, I just guys say I know my audience, so I know, I know all of you out there there they were like, Yeah. Well, she got a shaman on her door step. How do I get one of those? So talk about what that… That was…
27:02: So it was just a day at work, and I just felt like I was continuing to work on my own self-healing process, I was practicing as a massage therapist and incorporating Ray and some other tools that I have learned, and I just felt like there’s another step in my own healing that I was ready for, and it just popped into my head, just like inspiration and intuition, and I was like, Wow, okay, so I just kind of said to the universe… ’cause I certainly didn’t know any shamans back then, if this is something you want me to do, if this is something that would be helpful, please show me, give me a sign or whatever, and I just kinda… I wasn’t really attached to it, so that helped me to just kind of let it go, and I think that just opened the door for it to come across my path, I.
27:49: Was the shaman literally sitting there, or is it a…
27:54: He showed up to do some… He wanted to do some work. I was working in a healing center with a bunch of other practitioners, and he was the guy that was from this area, he’s moved away since then, but he was from this area and had studied for a ready like 15 or 20 years with medicine people from the Amazon who are more shamanistic, shamanic and from the Andes, and he just showed up at the doorstep of the Healing Center and asked if he could start doing sessions and do some work there, and then I was attending a class on intuition and psychic ability with another teacher there, and the shaman and his girlfriend ended up coming to the class, and I ended up having some kind of energy blockage that everybody could see, which was freaking me out. And he said, Hey, I could help you with that. And I said, Okay. And that was pretty much it.
28:48: Okay, so you brought up something really that’s I think very alive for people at least that listen to this podcast, which is you asked for a sign, and can you say, just give the listeners like a few ways that they can ask for signs or how… You know, I talk about this all the time, and how do you ask for signs, or how do you work with spirit guides, or how are you working with the other side of the veil right now in a day-to-day way that you think anyone could use right now, without much study.
29:25: Okay, so one of my favorite things to do, and I feel like this is very important, and it ties back into the teachings that I learned from my teachers and the Andes about reciprocity, and it’s giving something before you ask for something. So if I’m feeling, well, hopefully, I’m not doing it just to get something back, but it’s making offerings on a regular basis, and people might be like, Well, what’s that? So here’s what you can do. It’s thinking of what are the things that I love. Like your favorite foods, favorite herbs that you cook with bird seed if you feed birds, flower petals, like anything… Lovely, beautiful. If you love to drink wine, Mother Earth loves red wine, you have to watch out for chocolate if you have dogs, but thinking of something that you can give… Now, you might think, Well, the earth doesn’t really need that, but it’s like you’re giving it an honor of all of your guides, angels, ancestors, and the earth, and it’s a gesture of thanks and love for everything that you’ve already been given, and if you can do that on a regular basis, it’s wonderful, and that alone will transform lives, so if I’m gonna go and ask for something, I try to give something first.
30:44: Like I just know this audience, so what does on a regular basis mean, are we talking daily or… We talk weekly. Monthly, right.
30:53: Well, daily would be wonderful. Weekly, totally fine. I would say weekly, if you could shoot for weekly, it would be great and even do it with kids, kids really respond well to these practices, and then I kind of ask for guidance in different ways, I could be driving in my car down to work and ask say a prayer and ask for my guides and angels to be with me, to speak or teach through me for my students, highest good and highest healing. If I’m asking for guidance for the day, I could say Give me… I try to remember to ask for clear and specific signs that I won’t miss now that could come through… I’ve gotten signs, and I’m sure you have two through many different ways, through nature, so watching birds, watching clouds, watching what’s going on around you, songs on the radio, license plate numbers. Signs, bumper stickers. At one point, I was really wondering if I should go on a vegan diet, and I know that it’s really good for my constitution to eat a vegan diet. So I’m very rarely that disciplined, but I was going through a health issue and I kinda just asked the guides and I said, Would it be a good thing for me to eat a vegan diet for a while, so I was going out…
32:18: I got into my car and I’m driving down the road from my house. Not that far, right in front of me, pulls a car, go vegan. So we just have to pay attention, so ask for the signs, you can also give them a time limit, believe it or not, so within the next 24 hours or within the next three days, otherwise, you could ask for a sign, and in the spirit world, there is no time or space, they could give it to you 10 years later and you’re not even gonna remember that you asked for it. So I try to give like, Alright guys, human time here, next 24 hours, next few days, give it a short time frame and then pay attention to everything that’s going on, it could be something that your partner says to you, it’s like just the right thing or somebody recommends a book, we open a book that you have, and all of a sudden the answer is there or it shows up on Facebook or whatever, so it’s just paying attention, so asking, Give it a time frame and then pay attention and then also giving something back.
33:30: And I think there’s something that you didn’t mention, but I know that it’s such a natural thing for you, you’re not thinking about it, so I’m gonna prompt you or you also need to have a foundation of trust. That it’s going to arrive.
33:44: Yes, yeah, and then also, at times it doesn’t arrive even when we do have that trust and faith and then just knowing that the universe has our back. Right. And when you’ve built up that trust… Now, that can take some time. I mean, I was raised Catholic, so I did have a foundation of faith behind me, which I really have felt has been helpful, and I’ve had experiences where things have been so profound from the spirit world that I know that they’re there, so… Yeah, you have to build that trust and that can take time. So just keep practicing, just like anything else that really is practicing, practicing, paying attention, practicing asking, and then allowing… Well, you’re teaching, they’re receiving school, I would imagine some of it is allow help to come and allowing yourself to receive this guidance and these messages and that you deserve to have that support.
34:46: Absolutely, absolutely. Yeah, it’s the deserving. And then, yeah, so much. Oh, so much so. What kind of offerings? I know if people are listening, first of all, I already know there’s people in my community who keep asking me for your information, so I’m so excited to be able to share this with them and give them just an intro to you this way, but… What kind of offerings do you have now that people can… Utilize that aren’t as lucky as I am or I can come to you in person.
35:17: Right. Well, thank you. So I do offer distance calling sessions, so those are available on my website under services, I do different types of readings, intuitive readings really, and they also incorporate some teaching, so everything that I offer incorporates teaching because I really like to empower folks, so whenever you leave me from having some kind of session, there’s always homework that there is, and tools for you to continue working towards whatever goal or intention that you have for the session. So I do healing sessions, I do readings, I offer flower essence consultation, so I also always incorporate those into other sessions, I have a couple of classes coming up, I have a healing circle for the Winter Solstice, which will be on Zoom, and I also have a four-part series in Shamanic Healing for self-healing. So that’s coming up starting in January, and that’ll be good, it’s for any level of experience or no experience at all, incorporating some of these teachings from indigenous cultures, contemporary Shamanism, and energy healing for health and vitality for wellness, for dealing with our emotional energy, toxic thoughts, all those things like how to transform them and how to get help from the spirit world for all of this, all these various crises we’ve been dealing with…
36:54: Oh, we need that. Alright, I’m gonna put the link to your website in the show notes, but for if you’re listening and you’re dying to get there the link is to embodythesecret.net. And again, the link will be in the show notes. So is there any last thoughts you wanna leave people with… Anywhere on social media. You want them to follow you? What do you want them to take away?
37:21: Well, I just hope that something that I shared here was inspirational and helpful, and that if folks have been on their spiritual path and they’ve gone through challenges and traumas that you know you’re not alone, and that pain can be a teacher sometimes and joy can be a teacher so both of them, and then also just about returning to those healing ways of our ancestors and just maybe look into some of the ways that your ancestors did their healing because I’m sure there’s wisdom there. So yeah, so those are the things that I hope for. I’m easy to find on… I have a Facebook page for embody the sacred, and I’m on Instagram under Deana Paqua. I’m out there, you can find me.
38:12: In all the places, and I can tell you if you’re listening in your thinking, can Deana help you? I can promise you ever figured a lot of it is a powerful energy experience there, I can say my experiences with you, Deana, have run the gamut of messages of learning, of getting my shit together of a spiritual kick in the ass. And then for those of you listening, if you’ve heard the story of right after I found out that there was a fracture on my spine, going to see my healer, this is Deana, this is the one who was working with her guides. So all those experiences have all been with this wonderful woman, so… Thank you so much, Deana for being here.
38:57: Thank you, Patty. It was such an honor to be asked to be on your podcast and to share with your listeners.
39:07: Well, thank you. Alright, well, hey, go back out there, keep healing the crazies like me because we need it, and I hope you have a beautiful rest of your day. Thank you, Patty, and thank you everybody who has been listening. Hey, thanks for listening. If you know someone who needs to hear this message, please share this episode with them, and if you’re feeling really generous, I’d love for you to leave us a review at your favorite podcast app, it helps us reach many more people and it fills my heart with so much joy when I hear what you have to say about what I’ve shared. I’m cheering for your success, have an amazing day, and don’t forget. Always create space for magic.