Today, Patty talks with one of her good friends, Miriam Schulman. Miriam is an artist and the founder of The Inspiration Place, where she helps other artists learn how to profit from their passion or become better artists. Through online classes, business coaching programs, and a top-ranked podcast, she has helped thousands of artists around the world develop their skill sets and create more time and freedom to do what they love. Her signature coaching program, The Artist Incubator, helps artists go from “so-so” sales to sold-out collections.
Miriam grew up in poverty, and with the decision to make money as a motivating factor, she worked at a Wall Street hedge fund. She shares her experience working there, the mafia-esque culture, and being surrounded by the “big swinging dicks of Wall Street.” While working there, she had a nagging sense that there had to be something more to life, and how that eventually led to her being a self-described working artist.
In this episode, Miriam shares stories revolving around her new book ARTPRENEUR: The Step-by-Step Guide to Making a Sustainable Living from Your Creativity. How our fears and sense of self-preservation can hinder ourselves, utilizing her brain’s neurodivergence as a superpower, and the power of belief structured around Miriam’s very own “Belief Triad.”
Miriam and Patty also discuss the hero’s journey, and how in the process of discovering ourselves, we start with a comfortable safe place, then receive “the call” and eventually reach the point of no return.
This episode is a fun conversation on the life of an artist, shifting mindsets, and relatable stories that will make you think about your own journey.
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What keeps us from moving forward in our dreams is fear. Our brains have evolved for survival, not goal achievement. So anytime we do something that’s new or uncomfortable, that’s going to get us closer to our goal, our brain is going to sense that discomfort. And our brain will come up with all kinds of reasons why this scary, uncomfortable thing. It’s a terrible idea. And the smarter you are, the better you are at coming up with those stories. Now, when we experience that we don’t experience it as excuses. We don’t experience it as self sabotage because these stories sound real.
Welcome to the space for magic podcast where people who are led by their hearts come to learn the secrets to receiving all the gifts the universe has for us. I’m your host, Patty Lennon. I’m an X type a corporate banker turned intuitive coach, using a blend of common sense brain science and just a dash of magic. I’m here to help you create abundance in every area of your life and business. Welcome.
Hey, everyone, welcome to this episode of the space for magic Podcast. Today we have a special guest. Besides being fabulous, she’s also one of my business besties But before we talk about why she’s one of my business besties I want to tell you exactly who she is. Miriam Schulman is an artist and founder of the Inspiration Place where she helps other artists learn how to profit from their passion, and become better artists. After witnessing 911 She abandoned a lucrative hedge fund job to work on her art full time. Since then, her art and story have been featured in major publications, including Forbes, The New York Times art journaling magazine, as well as featured on NBC, parenthood and the Amazon series hunters with Al Pacino, her forthcoming book with HarperCollins leadership artpreneur, how to make money from your creativity is scheduled for release on January 31 2023. When she’s not in the studio, she splits her time between New York City and her farmhouse in the country, both of which I’ve been to and are fabulous Welcome. Welcome, Miriam.
Well, hey, Patty, thanks so much for having me. I’m so excited to be here.
I know, I’m so excited for you to be here. So, you know, the last time you were talking to my audience, I think it was a couple of years ago, we were talking about journaling, like art journaling, to set new intentions for your life and for your world. And you have this amazing book coming out that I have already had the privilege of reading, I got a sneak preview. And for you listening, where I want you to make sure you keep your mind wide open is that although Miriam focuses on helping artists become profitable artists, and certainly that is, what the focus of the book is, she brings a lot of wisdom to how to be a very practical, pragmatic person and still play in a world that includes magic. And she is much better at expressing how to shift mindset than I ever AM. So that was a big reason why I want her to be on the podcast. Because when you hear her story when you hear you know what she’s navigated on her journey to becoming this profitable working artist. I love that word. Miriam like when I saw it in your book, I don’t think I’ve ever heard you call yourself that because we’re friends. I don’t know that we talk about ourselves like that. But I liked that. Because for you listening, here’s what I want you to think before we jump into the interview, is there something that you feel like you’re supposed to be doing? Maybe you can’t put your finger on what it is, but there’s just like this nagging sense that life isn’t maybe not enough or that what you’re spending your time doing doesn’t fulfill you? If you answered yes to either of those questions. You are going to love what Miriam has to share. All right. So Miriam, now you can start talking. What did I not share that you want to make sure they know for sure. As we kick this off, how much
I love you, Patty. Oh, so yesterday, I it was my daughter’s birthday and I went to your Oracle Card Deck and i was like what is what does she most need to hear? So my daughter turned 25. So I pulled a card out. And the card was actually the pity party card. But that’s not what my daughter needed to hear. It’s a picture of a bulldog with a cupcake and a candle. So I took a picture of it without the word pity party, and I sent it to my daughter And she loved it because we’re always talking in my family. We don’t have a bulldog, but we’re always talking about bulldogs and in my family. So it was in my husband like, where did you find that? It’s like Patti sent it to us. Oh, magic. Oh, I just love you. And I’m so grateful to be here with talking to your people.
I’m so glad for you to be here and talking to my people. Alright, so I think um, you know, for for you guys listening, you know, I was a type A corporate banker. Now, you’ve heard Miriam left a lucrative hedge fund job. But our journeys, I think there’s some similarities, but there’s a lot of differences. So, Miriam, maybe you could kind of talk about what that looked like, what that journey out of one very different world into a very, a completely different world.
Yeah, it was a very different world. So I mean, it’s basically whatever, I don’t want to dismiss anything you experienced, Patty Because I really don’t know. But it’s whatever you probably experienced, but on steroids because I was working for what they used to call the big swinging dicks of Wall Street. Am I allowed to talk that way? On your podcast? Yes, yes. Okay. So I mean, they’ve written books about the people I’ve worked for, and the elite traders I worked for on Wall Street, who sexually harassed me who are in that’s in my book, by the way, the little juicy parts, I won’t get in legal trouble. HarperCollins made sure I changed the names of the guilty. And then I followed these egos to a hedge fund, which is basically exponentially more of that kind of machismo energy, you do everything for the firm. And it was very much the type of experience if anyone saw the Tom Cruise movie, the firm, it felt very much like that, like you were almost like in a mafia, where it’s like loyalty to the firm. So that was huge. I went to Wall Street, because I grew up very poor, my father passed away when I was five, my mother’s got divorced from her second husband, we were literally living in my grandparents home, and we didn’t really have anything I was went to college on financial aid. And I knew that I had to make money. There was no trust fund, there was no rich father helping me out. I was on my own. So when I worked for the Wall Street, it was the first time in my life where I actually had money. And I was very scared. When I started thinking about walking away from it all. I didn’t want to have to repeat the poverty of my childhood, for me and my family. But when 911 happened, I just couldn’t do it anymore. I was like, there’s there’s got to be a different way.
And what inside you, you know, I think there’s one thing to say, Okay, there’s got to be a different way. But yeah, I want to look at my notes for a second because you talk about it as your wake up call. Yeah. And I love the way you in the book, talk about the hero’s journey, because I think you speak to the hero’s journey, through a lens that I don’t think gets addressed too much, which is you get the calling. But then you have to answer the calling. And I mean, that is spoken of but then you really focus in on why someone won’t answer the calling, and maybe strategies. So why don’t you talk a little bit about like, what that was like for you? And maybe compared to what you see it is for the people you help?
Yeah, so what keeps us from moving forward in our dreams is fear. Our brains have evolved for survival, not goal achievement. So anytime we do something that’s new or uncomfortable, that’s going to get us closer to our goal, our brain is going to sense that discomfort. And our brain will come up with all kinds of reasons why this scary, uncomfortable thing. It’s a terrible idea. And the smarter you are, the better you are at coming up with those stories. Now, when we experience that we don’t experience it as excuses. We don’t experience it as self sabotage because these stories sound real. They sound real. What I’m doing in that second chapter when I talk about Wall Street is I’m reminding everybody yeah, there’s risks of making a change. There are risks of staying the same. There may be bears outside the cave, there are also snakes in the cave. So that is why I talk about the sexual harassment I experienced the being passed over for promotions, the lack of opportunity that I face So that’s why I talk about this. I’m trying to remind you that there is risks of staying the same and not going for it even though there yes, there’s risks. Of course, there are risks of making change. Now, you asked me about the hero’s journey. So when I quit my job Initially, I thought it was going to be temporary. That’s the truth. I walked away from the hedge fund, I thought I was just taking a temporary break, and extended maternity leave. And that Sunday, I might go back.
Okay, so let me stop you. So what you’re saying is you didn’t think you were actually answering the call, you’re essentially right, tricking your mind into taking the first step. Or maybe you weren’t even conscious of it. But that’s why you’re stressing that that you didn’t really, you weren’t like, all in in that first
No. And it wasn’t, I’m going to quit my job and become an artist. I wasn’t thinking that way yet. I didn’t know that that was possible. And I want to tell you, people ask me, like, how did you decide to quit your job and become an artist? So it’s like, well, there’s actually a lot, there’s a little more to it to that. So I had money saved. I just knew I couldn’t keep doing what I was doing. I was so empty. My hedge fund had literally gone out of business, and they were keeping me on to start a new company. So there wasn’t anything for me to do. And I was really going into work and pretending to work so I can collect a paycheck. Now, when you have absolutely no purpose to your days, but collecting a paycheck, you’re going to start asking yourself questions. So I’m basically getting paid to stay away from my child today. It’s like, I can’t do this anymore. There’s no meaning in my life. I mean, the whole point of life is being needed and creating meaning for ourselves. And I didn’t have that anymore. So that’s why I left. But I was ready to run back. Now, if you look at you mentioned the hero’s journey, if you look at all of our favorite fairy tales, and stories, Star Wars Harry Potter Wizard of Oz, we’ll just we’ll go through Wizard of Oz. She runs away. But then she goes back to it. And yeah, right. And it’s only because that house with the tornado takes her way to O, that we have the rest of the story. So for me, I ran away from my job, but I thought I was coming back and to that point of no return. So there’s like a point of no return that happens in the hero’s journey. Like with Star Wars. I think his home planet gets blown up. All this all the stores heads are gonna come after me for not getting this right if I got that wrong.
We have here so I
don’t know. I don’t know what we’re there’s all kinds of like, I’m gonna find out though me. That’s right. All kinds of fandoms. Right. Okay, so but you will notice this is this is in every hero’s journey where they leave, and they want to come to answer the call. But then there’s this moment where they crossed the threshold where there is no turning back. So for me, I left. But that wasn’t the crossing of the threshold, the crossing of the threshold was 911, when I saw seven World Trade Center burned to the ground. That was my actual crossing the threshold, I’m not going back. And the reason why is because I was in the World Trade Center when the first bomb happened. And they were not honest with us. They didn’t tell us to evacuate. We basically home went back to work.
And let me stop you, Miriam. Because I think a lot of people don’t realize that that happened the window in the first bomb. So for you listening, years before 911 happened, there actually was an I don’t want to assume anything about you listening. But I know that a lot of people who weren’t in this area don’t realize that that actually happened. And people didn’t find out till much later that that was actually a terrorist act.
Yeah. And the thing is, is that it’s been so eclipsed by 911, that even people in this area have forgotten about it, like, oh, the first bomb, like you have to be of a certain age and really have experienced it,
which we both are that’s why she’s between both are
yes, I will be 54 when this airs, I think when 911 happened, I thought about that second plane going in the tower, how they didn’t evacuate the building, and they didn’t evacuate my building during the terrorist attack in 93, either. So that’s how close I felt like I felt that could have been me. And that was my wake up call. And Patti right now what we’ve been experienced the last few years as people have had a very similar wake up call. Over 40 million people have walked away from their jobs during the pandemic. And that’s why they call this period the great resignation. It’s been a lot of people now for those who are listening. The statistics are most of the people walking away have been men and that the women have not had the same courage to walk away. And I want to change the conversation around that.
And I wonder, too, if maybe Courage isn’t the only piece of it. Of course, also, there was an obligation. This is what I noticed this audience primarily is women, and we are socialized, to give up what we need. And that’s why we’re not always making the same money. We’re not making getting the same benefits, we’re not getting the same protections, whatever it is, because we’ve been socialized to settle for less than what we truly desire in order to make the community system work to make sure everyone’s needs are met. And sometimes that comes with illusions. And so, at the end of the day, when that male person who has been socialized to, you know, basically take care of themselves so that they can then be the hunter, you know, that they’re supposed to be, and they get their wake up call, that ability to leave comes with less strings, then a woman who’s already probably making less, because she’s under employed, but she’s not just worrying about herself. She’s worrying about every other person that her String, her heartstring runs out to.
Oh, yeah, we’ve been taught to put everyone else first. And that shows up in so many ways, Patty, not just in terms of monetarily, but I even noticed with the people who I started helping with him. I started teaching online like 10 years ago, that even making time to do things they will love came last. And they had trouble understanding how to create their in their own style, because they really didn’t know who they were anymore. They had spent their whole lives, putting other people’s needs first and never asking themselves and this is why I love you, Patty, because I know this is something you talk about what do I want? What do I desire, they don’t even know what they want or desire anymore for them’s for whether it’s their art or for themselves or for their lives. So I see this coming out in their artwork, too.
Yes, actually, just as you were saying, there was a woman in the receiving school, Laura Hitchcock, and she’s she’s told her story, like, publicly so I can speak about it. But when she was talking in the beginning of the receiving school, she did I forget what the the actual, like, specific type of art that she created, but it was a type of art that she felt was more sellable. You know, so like, she was still trying to do the right thing, that it was a marketable type of art. And it was really when she let herself move into abstracts, which are what her soul was calling her towards, that she started winning awards and pieces start selling and but that she had the courage to pursue her art. But then even while she was doing it, she was still trying to do a type of art that would be at least a little bit more approvable or
right or and people think, yes, people pleasing and her artwork. Yeah,
right. Yes. So I want to go back to the hero’s journey. And back to that piece about, you know, the call coming, answering the call because, because you talk about procrastination, and I want to go there. But before I do, I just want to mention, I love the way you talk about because I don’t usually talk about the hero’s journey. But I think the way you described it, what I do talk about is like you the universe is first going to send you a whisper. And that is sort of that feeling like Oh, this isn’t right, right. And then it’s going to kind of give you the knowledge. And that’s where you’re like, Oh, I’m getting paid to spend time away from my kids. And then it’s going to hit you over the head. And my question to you actually is my theory has always been, if you answer the Whisperer, it’s a lot easier. If you wait for the knowledge, it’s still going to, you know, it’s still easier, but you know, it’s going to require more current, like each earlier step requires more courage, but it means you are avoiding getting hit over the head. And I’m curious what your thoughts are on that, because to me, it feels like until you had the really big thing happen, letting go of something so valuable, like in monetary explanations, especially coming from having income, like fear as a child, that you probably needed the biggest thing to cut that tie. What do you think?
Yeah. And again, I just want to go circle back to the idea that I didn’t set out it wasn’t when 911 happened. I said, Now I’m going to be an artist. I mean, I kind of tell the story that way and my elevator pitch and then when 911 happened I I dedicated myself to becoming an artist. And that’s true. But that’s really a collapsed narrative. So what I do talk about in the book is initially, I still, I was painting on the side, so I was doing what I wanted to do. But I didn’t believe that I could make money as an artist, I really didn’t. And it wasn’t until I took a job as applied as instructor, and got trained by the gym on how to sell personal training packages, that I was like, Oh, this is what marketing is, I can use these same skills to sell my artwork, like suddenly, it was like, everything was very clear that it was all the same thing. It didn’t matter what you were selling. It was just this process. And the more I learned on how to market and how to sell, the better I got at selling my artwork. So once I saw that this was just a skill, that’s when things unlocked for me.
I love that you say that, because I want to emphasize that for you listening, you know, whether you’re a artist in the traditional sense, you’re a creative. Besides writing the book, Mariam does work in this and she’s brilliant at helping people connect those dots, I think it’s, there’s a lot of idea if you’re creative, that you’re just not good at selling, that you’re just not good at marketing. And it’s a skill. And that’s it. Yes, there are some people who could sell ice to an Eskimo, but that’s not what you need, like from the time they were born. That is not what you need to be profitable as a creative. You can just learn these skills, they are linear processes that anyone can learn if they’re willing. Right? Do you think that’s fair?
No, of course. I mean, it’s they’re literally what I step people through step by step, and you could probably cross off art and artists and put in whatever it is that you sell in there. But it is the process. And I do think actually, that people who rely on the process are more successful than people who believe that they do the right personality to sell because it actually it’s more about skill and less about personality.
Yeah, yes. So true. Okay, so I do want to go back, we don’t even have to dive into the hero’s journey, but just I talked about procrastination as that’s your sole whispering, you’re just not ready, or it’s just not important. Whereas you take a totally different take on procrastination. And I’m sure there’s many people who have listened to me and been like, No, I’m a procrastinator, and I’d really like to know how to stop being this way. So talk about how you describe procrastination. Okay,
so we’re gonna go back to something I was saying earlier, whenever our brains have evolved for survival, that’s number one, not goal achievement. Okay, so when you’re going to do something uncomfortable, so what would be something that a lot of your people procrastinate on? Can you give me an example? Having a difficult conversation? Okay, fine. So we feel uncomfortable, because you need to have this conversation. And now your brain is coming up with all kinds of stories about why that’s a bad idea, your brain is going to experience this is the truth, not thoughts, they are thoughts, but whatever it is that you have to do. So I’ll just throw in a couple of things that I know my people procrastinate, maybe it’s sending out an email, maybe it’s Is that okay? Can we do that one, I know you said there aren’t a lot of entrepreneurs, alright, so you may maybe have to send an email. And it may be it may not be a marketing email might be just an email, like you said, in your conversation or to your kids teacher. Now you’ve coming up with all kinds of stories about what can go wrong with that email that you’re gonna send it. So what happens when you have these fears, you create these doubts these stories. So what happens next, you’re going to do one of two things, you’re either going to be like the deer in the headlight completely confused about what to do and shut down. And then you’re going to probably find yourself across the snacking, or for cross cleaning, or whatever. Or here’s the other place people go, Well, maybe I can Google the right kind of email to send to my teacher and they do all kinds of procrastinate learning on that or read blogs about like, how to deal with my difficult child and what to say to the teacher and what are the right things and maybe I’m going to show it to Patti, and maybe I’m going to show it to my friend Jen and see what she thinks or maybe that’s my mother. So I call all that stuff procrastinate learning, because you basically just want to get it right either way, whether you’re confused and you just don’t do anything deer in the headlights are you doing all this kind of research? You’re really motivated by the same thing are motivated because you don’t want to fail or because you don’t want that story. You came up to come true fear of failure, fear of success, whatever. It is. So what happens next is, you’re convinced that these stories are real, these bad things are gonna imagine are real. And it’s totally natural, then not to take action. Of course, you’re not going to take action. If you’re not convinced of what the next step is,
huh, yeah. And then what I loved is in the book, you really spoke to some strategies that help with that, and we don’t have to get into those. But you did bring up later. And it ties back to the procrastination because I’ve seen this with clients who are neurodiverse is one of the things that I admire so much about you, Miriam. So for you listening is that, you know, Miriam is neuro diverse. And for those of you not familiar with that means is, you know, there’s a lot of ways that brains work that don’t look like the traditional way that our education system is built, like ADHD, auditory processing, dyslexia, and then there’s just a rainbow of other things we can talk about. And I think sometimes, especially if you were raised in a traditional education system, you can go out into the world and really lean into like, I don’t know how to do this well enough. You know, when I do things like I talk too quick, I take too quick action, I respond too slowly, I don’t get what they’re telling me. And yet you say you feel like it’s one of your superpowers. And I wanted to make sure we touched on, like how you got to that place, or just your theory on it, because that is one that I bang the drum on a lot, having had a couple of people who are very close to me, including my my children who have multiple neurodiversity sort of categories that they check. I really feel like our world is moving so quickly, it’s actually this neuro diversity that is needed to really keep up with the pace and most of us, you know, neurotypical people actually don’t have the brains to keep up with it, to go ahead and share where you come out on it.
Okay, so first of all, and I don’t think I put this in the book at all. But neurodiversity, whether it’s add, or even autism, these are not mutations. This is part of evolution that the human species has evolved to include neuro diverse people, because they serve a function in our society. So that’s number one to remember. But let’s just go back to what we talked about today, I don’t think there’s too many people unless they have like this very distracted brains that are gonna sit there during a Pilates lecture about how to sell personal training packages. And I’m thinking the whole time, how can I apply this to my artwork. So that is like the connecting of the dots that because I have a neuro diverse brain, I’m able to do. So like, I feel like that was a gift that was a gift. Now, at the same time, I sometimes will miss context, I have a lot of trouble. So for me, when I grew up, it was called the learning disability. So sometimes I might say that but my learning difference is that the PC word No, I know, my specific challenge is audio logical processing. And my kids both have the same challenge. And what I saw when they were being tested, this is the kind of test they would do. It’s not about not being able to hear, because you can hear the noise. But the way they tested it is they would say the word gun, or gum. And the kid would have to point to either a picture of a gun or a picture with a stick of gum. And they went through a lot of different things. And I could see how my both of my kids had struggled with they hear something and they’re hearing not what was really being set. So sometimes these subtleties it’s very difficult for me. And I didn’t realize until this pandemic, how much I’ve been relying on the visual cues to understand people, because now when people have their masks in front of their face, I have a lot more trouble understanding them. And it’s not that I can’t hear them through the mask. I can’t understand them. Because I’m missing out on some of these other subtle cues and I’m relying on visually to make sense of
things. Yeah. Do you know what the one a mind what I with similar challenges is? I think it’s especially difficult when you’ve got a highly developed intellect because you come up with shortcuts to understand things, but those shortcuts only work when the system supports the shortcuts. Okay, so um, I have so many so many questions that we haven’t gotten to, but I don’t want to go in a drawer question that I want to go in with the last couple of minutes I want you to share. What have we not covered that you think is the most important when this episode drops? We’ll be right in the middle of the holiday season. What is it that you want people to know when they’re thinking about making space for magic? And using all the wisdom you bring to the table? What do you want to share with them?
Yeah, I want to share something, Patti experience that I had with you going through your manifesting for grownups. So in the book, I talk about the belief triad, that’s belief in yourself, belief in your art belief in your buyer. And if you lack belief in one of these things, you’re going to struggle. So if you believe there aren’t art buyers out there, you won’t be able to see them. Now, a very literal example of this was when I was doing manifesting treasure hunt with you. And one of the objects was a purple feather. And I said, Well, there’s no way I’m going to see a purple feather. And I’m in New York City and walk around, I don’t see any. Then we go to the Catskills where I’m the farmer. So I thought to myself, well, we’re definitely not going to see any here or we’re in like the middle of this farm. And on the way back from the farm, we stopped off at my daughter’s apartment, she’s 25. We’re not gonna see any purple feathers here. And when I got home, is when I realized, holy crap, there were purple feathers literally everywhere, because I, at one point was painting a lot of peacocks. And in my farmhouse was a huge purple peacock. And yes, peacocks have feathers. So a purple peacock is a bird with a lot of purple feathers. And then my daughter has a five foot painting in her living room have a purple peacock. But because I was so attached to the belief that I wouldn’t see purple feathers, I couldn’t see them, I couldn’t see them and they were literally everywhere. And like that just shows the power of belief how you can completely sabotage yourself if you don’t believe.
Oh, yes, that was actually one of the biggest the biggest takeaways from the book. I’m so glad you brought that up because that was that was there in my notes. This is awesome. The belief triad is so good how you lay that out? And that’s your intellectual property right Mary? I’m like yeah,
where’d you learn that I made it up.
Because before I got the copy of the book for you listing Miriam like floated believe triad on into a conversation. And I was just like, I was kind of listening and trying to keep up and thinking like, because that’s sometimes how it is when we’re talking like Miriam’s talking. And she’s she knows stuff, and I’m just trying to keep up and then all sudden she was like and if you don’t know what that is, I made it up. So you have to read the book, because then you’ll know it. So it’s really good stuff. I love it. All right. So what I want to make sure we do before we jump over to how they can find you is make sure you listening that you pre order Miriam’s book, it’s going to be out January 31. Right?
It is. So one of the gifts that I created, because I know you’re listening in the holidays, but even while you’re waiting for it to arrive, there are 12 videos. Every chapter title is a different mantra, chapter one is choose to believe. So I talked about that and to entertain you, I do a spread in my art journal, which is very interesting that last time we talked about art journaling, I had forgotten about that. So you’ll get to watch me work in my art journal, I give a little bit of technique, but it’s certainly, you know, you don’t have to do any of the art journal exercises. It’s just for my artists listening who may want to know what the technique is, I do share it. And I give a little bit of snippet from behind each chapter a little bit extra. And sometimes I even read from the chapter. So while you’re waiting, you can enjoy that. So I’ll tell you Chapter One is choose to believe and I even read the entire last chapter chapter 12, which is keep marching forward.
Oh, boy, that is an affirmation we need for these days for sure. All right, so we’re going to put all of this in the notes section, go to Schulman. art.com, forward slash book and Schulmann is S C H u l m a n A R t.com. Forward slash book. And Miriam is the host of the awesome inspiration plays podcast so definitely check her out on your podcast app that you’re listening to here. We’ll put that link in the shownotes. What else Miriam?
Yeah, well, if you like what I had to say here, hop on over to the podcast. Patti was a guest twice I think so. I know because you’re special.
And you’re you’re pretty active on Instagram too, right? And here I am.
Yeah. So I put like I put things on Instagram. I’m starting to move towards YouTube. I’ve been taking my toys over there. Because I, because Oh, I’m sorry, why
the Sandbox has a little too much poop in it these days. That’s
right, the cat has been in the sandbox. So I’m taking my toys over to YouTube, and I’m having a lot of fun over there.
Well, we’ll put all those links in the show notes. And, Miriam, I just want to thank you so much for spending this time with us. I am so excited for the launch of your book. I know it’s gonna make a difference in so many people’s lives. And any last words of wisdom you want to offer?
Yeah, so this is dropping in the holidays. Yeah, okay, so we talked about choose to believe that chapter one, whatever your big dreams are for 2023. I want you to choose to believe that they can come true. And even if you’re having trouble with that, even if you just put the words in front of that big goal. I choose to believe that whatever your goal is, it will unlock all kinds of magic for you.
Mmm, I love that. Oh, nothing more to add to that everyone. Have a great week make space for magic checkout Miriam’s podcast and go pre order the bucks you get all those goodies. All right. Thank you. Hey, thanks for listening. If you know someone who needs to hear this message, please share this episode with them. And if you’re feeling really generous, I’d love for you to leave us a review at your favorite podcast app. It helps us reach many more people and it fills my heart with so much joy. When I hear what you have to say about what I’ve shared. I’m cheering for your success. Have an amazing day. And don’t forget, always create space for magic.
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