Patty is talking with Kelsey Abbott, a transformational leader and Instigator of Joy. She uses Human Design, professional coaching, and intuition to help humans relax into their true essence so they can experience more ease, abundance, and joy.
She believes that the universe wants us to be sparkly AF and that joy is our natural state.
Kelsey shares what Human Design is and why it’s such a wonderful way to understand our human journey. This is such a valuable resource!
How can Human Design help us access and understand our intuitive gifts?
Kelsey and Patty talk about how we can better understand our “direct line’ to spirit. We are all capable of talking to spirit, but each of us have special ways to tap into our personal gifts.
Kelsey shares what 2 of Patty’s biggest gifts are and how they show up in her life.
Human Design Energy Types:
- Generator – here to be super sparkly, they are meant to do what lights them up which makes them irresistible
- Manifestor – super powerful, big energy and are here to start energetic movements
- Manifesting Generator – here to play, here to experience lots of different things in life, must be multi-passionate
- Projector – here to guide us, make existing systems more efficient and accessible
- Reflector – least common, here to reflect our energy back to us
You can get your Human Design chart from Kelsey at her website. There is a pop up where you need to enter:
– Date of birth (including the time)
– City and State where you were born
Remember, we are all designed for ease. We are all meant to do life differently, in our own unique way.
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0:00:04.3 S2: Welcome to the space for magic podcast, where people who are led by their hearts come to learn the secrets to receiving all the gifts the Universe has for us. I’m your host, Patty Lennon. I’m an ex-type, a corporate banker turned intuitive coach using a blend of common sense brain science and just a dash of magic. I’m here to help you create abundance in every area of your life and business. Welcome. Hey everyone, welcome to this episode of the space for magic podcast. Today, my guest is Kelsey Abbott, and I met Kelsey… Gosh, I don’t even know how many years ago. And Kelsey, we’re gonna have to talk about this ’cause I think because I don’t even remember how we got introduced, but I remember instantly falling in love with Kelsey’s energy, she is just one of those beings in the world that I would say if a fairy decided to incarnate as a human, Kelsey’s energy is what that would feel like to me, the best part of a fairy… Kelsey is also one of the go-to people I look at around human design, so when I first got introduced to him and design, it was immediately intriguing to me, Kelsey brings a nuance to it that always enlighten what’s going on for me.
0:01:31.4 S2: So I asked her to come on the podcast and we’re gonna talk about all kinds of things, I did ask her like, What are you calling yourself these days, and she says, I’m not really into labels, so that kinda gives you some insight right then and there, but Kelsey is an amazing, amazing helper in the field of what I call coaching, but she might call something else, so… Welcome
0:01:56.1 S1: Kelsey. That was the best intro ever. Thank you so much. You just made my heart so happy. How did we meet? At first I was like, Oh, I have no idea. Somebody who I no longer have any idea who it was, introduced us and said, You need to have my friend Patty on your podcast, and it was an… Absolutely, yes. I can’t remember who the person was, it was like a friend of a friend, and that person disappeared from my life because I was just supposed to know you, so fascinating.
0:02:31.0 S2: So if you’re that person and you’re listening, thank you.
0:02:34.3 S1: Thank you so much to that at a south… Okay, how he’s been on my podcast twice now. Yes.
0:02:40.7 S2: Yes, they find your awesome podcast, so we’ll put links to That, definitely check it out. What I love about Kelsey’s podcast style, which is different than here, is Kelsey jumps into her interviews talking about you and the third person, even though you’re listening, Kelsey jumps into her interviews with… We’re just gonna see where this takes us in a very, very open-hearted way, it just breeds amazing conversation, so I’m a little more tightly wound than Kelsey, I’m a little more structured, so I already told her some of the places were headed, and just to give you… A heads up, although we might go somewhere completely different is two of the things I wanna talk to Kelsey about is what it looks like to have Spirit communication based on what your human design is, and we’ll talk about what human design is too, and then separately for you entrepreneurs out there, or those of you who consume products in the digital space, I’m seeing a lot of dismantling of the space right now, things that worked no longer work, things are being bought, things are being sold, and trust is being, in some cases, dissolved and in other cases built, and I’m feeling a real call towards innovation, and I ask Kelsey if we could talk about maybe where someone’s human design would affect the way they’re gonna deal with something that they’ve come to rely on that maybe isn’t working anymore, or something in their life that isn’t working.
0:04:10.1 S2: Alright, so Kelsey, talk about whatever you wanna talk about first. But then I think we’ll go to Spear communication.
0:04:20.0 S1: I don’t know where to go. I don’t know how to fill in that gap. Let’s just go to Spirit communication. Well.
0:04:26.3 S2: Was there anything I didn’t talk about around what you do that you maybe just wanna orient people too.
0:04:34.0 S1: They could come along on ride, let’s just go into it and then would evolve… I have no idea what you said except that I loved it while you were saying, very incarnated as human energy… Exactly. See, that works. Okay.
0:04:48.7 S2: So a lot of the podcast episodes I was doing recently have been around communicating with spirit guides, angels, my experience with it, because earlier this year, you know the angels in my world, and specifically the angels, but also spirit guides were affirming this, that there is really a need for humanity to start to work more deeply with their spirit team if they’re not doing that already, because we’re in for bumpy ride essentially, and that ride doesn’t have to be scary if you’re in that communication… And I’m curious if the way that someone’s human design works affects how they talk to the spirit world, but I just realized based on that question, that the first place we have to go is for you to tell people what human design is.
0:05:40.2 S1: Okay, so human design, the way I explain it is, before you were born, your itty-bitty baby soul chose who you are gonna be in this incarnation, in our school, it was, how you are going to change the world, because every single one of us is here to change the world in our own unique way. And then it shows all of the tools you would need to change the world and the way you’re here to change it gave you everything you would need, it’s all in your soul blueprint, including how you can flow through life with maximum ease. So it sealed the deal. By then, choosing the exact time and place and date of your birth, you entered Earth School, and you knew it all on day one, and then by day to you’d forgotten most of it, and then by the time you’re walking and talking, you’ve got very loving people telling you how to human… And that evolves into conditioning, coming up with all these beliefs of the way things need to be done in the ways we should do things, so that years later you discover human design and it feels like coming home to yourself, It feels like this massive permission slip to be who you really, truly are.
0:06:57.4 S1: And every single gift sprinkled in, every single blueprint is needed, it is something we… Each one of us needs to own and share that gift, because by owning and sharing that gift, we help other people who have just been waiting for that gift.
0:07:17.6 S2: And to clarify, human design isn’t interpreted or sort of download it through a human design. Leader like Kelsey, it’s not that she puts our fillers out into the universe and is like, Oh, your human design is this… She inputs data and that data gives a chart and that chart fills in the blanks of different aspects of your design, it’s a literal blueprint, and depending on how the blueprint is laid out and there’s a finite number of data points… Right, Kelsey be incorporated, that blueprint, but then the way all those come together is how it is natural for you to walk through the world, which might be different than the way you were raised. Exactly.
0:08:09.9 S1: Thank you for adding that bit on… Yeah, it was perfect. Well, ’cause I think the way you described it to it.
0:08:16.4 S2: It could have sounded a little bit like a cache records, which occasion records don’t really have an exact science to them, I put science in quotes ’cause there’s a lot of art and understanding human design, but like a cache of records, someone like uses their psychic gifts to open the cache of records. Right, but on the cache of records might give you something totally different than another one…
0:08:42.3 S1: Right, this is more similar to looking at an astrological chart, and I say it with… I love the fact that when I first saw a human design chart, not went first, but a few months into following this human design bread crumb trail, I could look at a chart and it just so much magic popped up for me. Still, I don’t know, when I first saw my first astrological chart, maybe 10 years ago, still, I’ve been told all these things about my art, my astrology chart again and again and again, and I cannot retain the information, I cannot make sense of it. It is absolute nonsense. When I look at one of those, so I just love that. I don’t somehow my soul to is like, Hey, this is a… This is gonna come to you at this point in your life, and it’s just gonna make sense for you…
0:09:32.9 S2: I love it. So now let’s talk about… Because I asked you this question before we started the interview, and you said, Oh no, no. There’s a very specific point in your chart that can tell you how best to receive sphere of communication. So can you talk a little bit about that?
0:09:50.9 S1: Yeah, so all the gates in the spleen central gates are the numbers. I call them our gifts, all of those are actually… Those are our intuitive gifts and our intuition lives in our body, and those are each associated with clear audience Clair. I can’t remember what it’s called, The… Yeah, that’s actually up in the head more, but there’s clear… The spelling one.
0:10:20.7 S2: Oh
0:10:21.7 S1: Yeah, I always forget that on a clear smelling, that is in the plane, and then there is in the head, there is in a Crown Center, there is one that is, I call it the direct line to spirit, and that is, well, we can all channel… This is one gift that is set up for channeling, and I don’t think you have this gift, Patty, I don’t have this gift, and I’m pretty sure you channel it in a channel sometimes. Yeah, we are all capable of talking in the Spirit, we are all capable of channeling, and some of these gifts just happened be associated with certain ways that… You experience spirit. I have… My biggest gift is the gift of… It’s called the psychic gift, it’s the gift of intuition, and it is associated with the ears, it is associated with the right ear in particular, one thing I read about, it said that you have a risk of deafness around age 12, 12 or 13… Well, at age 14, both of my air drums ruptured.
0:11:33.9 S2: Whoa, that’s the…
0:11:36.7 S1: I’m like, Oh, I feel like my soul decided, No, we’re going to keep the hearing it’ll be slightly damaged on one year.
0:11:43.8 S2: Interesting, interesting. Okay, so you’ve seen my chart, and so… And there may be no answer to this, but my journey was for 35 years, I had no spirit communication, I have no memories of being a kid, having these special gifts that worked, I was talked out of… It was all to me, shut down, and then I opened up, and what I’ve been told by my Spirit team is that that was a choice I made before I incarnate it, because I was going to specifically help people to understand how to open to their gifts and I need to understand what it was to walk through the world without any sense of the spirit world. Is there anything in my chart that would corroborate that… Oh yes, I love that so much.
0:12:40.8 S1: Your sun personalities, your biggest gift is a gift of loving your physical body, and that’s… That is… For one thing, it can mean that you take supplements, you exercise, you are very aware of what goes into your physical body, it is also about experiencing life through your physical body, being in your body, we hear so much and people talking about… Get into your body, stop living in your head. How do your made to live in your body and… Well, maybe when you’re in banking, you spend some time in your head, but really I feel that you have this gift of really truly being drawn into the physical self, you…
0:13:28.2 S2: It’s interesting ’cause I’m definitely not that, oh, I know exactly. What’s good for my body, and I’m going to do that, is that I have to apply discipline to. But what I do see as being different for me than a lot of… Even so, I came, but a lot of my soul group didn’t… Until I had an experience of extreme loneliness that I came to understand was because the majority of my soul group didn’t incarnate, and we don’t have to talk about what that means, that when I’ve talked to them, or probably not directly to them, because most of the time, I’m not on speaking terms with them. ’cause they didn’t come, but when I talk to my spirit guides and some of the other team, and even when I talk to other people who do similar work to me, I feel incredibly lucky and appreciative of the human experience, even when it’s hard. That is all in your chart.
0:14:33.4 S1: This love of being a human, one of your biggest gifts too, which I think you’ve just referenced is the gift of beginner’s mind. So being here alone without your soul group, being here, having that first part of your life where you are cut off from the spiritual community and then opening up to it that is like… That’s your opening, and that’s the same opening you’re here to lead other people through, so
0:15:03.3 S2: You are someone that’s incredibly curious, that’s my understanding of any interaction we’ve had, is that curiosity something you’ve trained yourself in or is that in your chart?
0:15:19.1 S1: Oh, that’s such a good question. Because actually, one of the key places of curiosity, I would say is this gift of yours that we’re talking about right now, which I also have, and I started my career as a marine biologist, which is permission to be curious. So it’s hard for me to separate. Was I always curious? Yes, I do remember my parents giving me a book called Why, ’cause I kept asking why everything was happening, and they were just trying to shut me up, and I kept… I certainly honed that curiosity, found myself in a career that was all about curiosity, and then moving into coaching that is curiosity. Or of your own coach. Exactly, and you and I both have this gift of beginner’s mind, which is also being super curious, it’s child-like wonder, my husband laughs at me when we are walking, if there’s an unidentified object on the ground, perhaps it’s a fruit or a nut… I don’t know, I need to squish it to find out, this apparently is my… This is my child like wonder, like going and squishing the thing with my foot, mind you, you always closquishse with your foot first before you touch something and you don’t put it in your mouth, you squish with your foot…
0:16:46.0 S1: And that’s how you discover if something’s hard or soft or if that’s a fruit or not, or whatever.
0:16:52.9 S2: Interesting, alright, so I think it might be helpful if someone’s new to human design to just… This won’t go into the depth of it, but that the main categories… And can you give just a main description of the categories… Yeah.
0:17:07.6 S1: Absolutely. So human design has so many levels, what we’re gonna talk about right now are the energy types, which is the time top level, we’ve got energy types and then we’ve got profiles, then we’ve got all the gates and centers, and we’ve got arrows, but let’s just start with the energy types, and there are five of them, there’s generator manifesto, manifesting generator, projector and reflector. With a reflector, those are the least common, or reflector has all of their energy centers open, so they literally are here to reflect our own energy back to us for a reflector, their environment really, truly matters because they are taking in everything from their environment. A reflector is designed to be at the center of the tribe, so we can see how we’re doing, if you wanna feel really good about yourself, hang out with a reflector because they’re just gonna amplify you right back to you. Interesting. Do you know any reflectors? I do, I know a bunch of them.
0:18:07.3 S2: Are there any well-known people that are reflectors that that would give someone like a point of reference.
0:18:13.0 S1: A sandra bullock… . I do, I also know someone in the federal government who is a reflector, and I don’t wanna affect her career, but I think that’s actually such a great place for a reflector because that is what she’s supposed to represent these people, and so she can… She is them or reflectors, everybody and nobody. That must have been such a courageous choice to opt in under that design, and for a reflector, and this is true for all beings, every moment is a brand new moment, a reflector is a new person every single day because they are completely impacted by the way the planet transits Newell, they usually have a totally open chart, one day planets could move and all of a sudden they’ve got a defined Center for instance, which would mean that they know exactly who they are and where they’re going.
0:19:20.6 S2: So are those the two sides of the pendulum swing open and defined?
0:19:25.8 S1: Yes. Okay, and I use the term open instead of undefined because I like the word better, but technically, for instance, you have an undefined solar plexus Patty, you have two gates that are lit up there, but you don’t… The center isn’t defined, but you have an open ego center because you have zero gates to find in there.
0:19:50.4 S2: And what does that look like in real life?
0:19:53.5 S1: So it looks like when you are looking at a human design, do you mean in the chart, not…
0:19:58.1 S2: What does that mean for the way I walk through the world.
0:20:01.4 S1: It means that you’re going to have… The wide open center is going to impact you more, you are going to feel and amplify other people’s energy more… In that center.
0:20:14.5 S2: Yeah, I feel that in the solar plexus.
0:20:18.4 S1: And you also have a wide open crown, the way other people’s energy impacts you, Patty is spread across five open ones. So you are going to feel it. It’s not all gonna concentrate in one center and knock you out. It
0:20:38.9 S2: Doesn’t always feel like that though, sometimes it feels like it, not… Alright, I digress. Okay, so first, as referee…
0:20:48.6 S1: Let’s do projectors. Projectors are here to guide us, they are here to make existing systems more efficient, more effective, more accessible, and projectors are… There are like a whole other species, every energy type is a different species and all the others…
0:21:08.3 S2: Imagine a projector is a bird on a branch in a forest as all the rest of us are screwing around on the forest floor, the projector is up there watching us all.
0:21:18.8 S1: And the projector has super penetrating energy, I can see everything, and the projector is designed to be invited before it shares its penetrating energy, before it shares its wisdom, its work in the world is that guiding piece, and if it guides without being invited, it doesn’t go well. So imagine a squirrel is looking for his nuts and the projector just gets tired of watching me and I was like, You’re squirrel, you’re not… So right here, The Squires gonna look up and say, Who are you? Mind your own business. But if the squirrel looks up, notice is the projector and says, Oh, hey, I… Bayou can see a lot from up there, the projector says Me… Do you happen to know where I left my notes? The protector is like, Yeah. They’re right over here. This girl is like, Oh, goodness, you’re the best. Thank you so much. So projectors can get tangled up in that feeling of wait for the invitation and feel like they’re supposed to sit on the couch and just wait for… Wait to be invited. Out and about. Projectors go ahead, live your life, create stuff, but when… And I think this is true for all humans, if you are going to advise someone or guide them, wait until they invite you and…
0:22:39.0 S1: Or create the invitation and say, Hey, can I share something? And then if somebody says, No, thank you. You plan your time and you go… Distract yourself with something else. If someone says, Yes, then go ahead and share it.
0:22:53.6 S2: And like you said, that’s a good rule of thumb for everyone, but a projector who violates that role, or violates is a strong word, but a projector who kind of works against that role is going to feel it in an amplified way.
0:23:08.8 S1: Yeah, they’re gonna feel bitterness when that happens… Okay, alright, next up. Next, we’ve got manifestos, and manifestos are super powerful, they’re the biggest energy, like when a manifesto walks in Orem, everyone turns to look, we can just feel it manifest, or what I like to tell manifesto, kids is, Your energy is huge, that bullying that’s happening for you is because people feel your energy and it scares them. So a manifesto is really truly designed to own their power, take up space, and they’ll get these urges from the universe and they need to follow them, the investors often get tangled up in, what will people come with me? The right people will. And the wrong people won’t. And that is Okay, manifestos are here to start energetic movements, so they’ve gotta be brave enough to one own their power and to go first, the rest of us will follow or we won’t, but it will be perfect.
0:24:17.9 S2: And I know a few manifests and they… I don’t know if it’s the people I know or it is… Manifests in general, they can be misidentified as egotistical, a holes.
0:24:36.6 S1: Yes, yes, they can. And part of that is because manifestos have this tendency to just walk away, like having a conversation with the manifest or manifestos, an urgent, they just walk away and Patty, this is important for us as manifesting generators as well. Manifestos need to inform, that is how they are going to make the energy around them easier. So then you say, Hey, I’m gonna go over here now. And manifesting generators, We need to do this as well, and my best example, a personal example of this is my husband is also a manifesting generator, and when we’re making dinner together, we know when we’re making a salad, we know the person who gets the bulls out for the salad says Bowls. Because before we started doing that, we would both get out to bulls and independently start creating salads in these normals for two people to… What happens when manifesting energy doesn’t inform? It just makes things smoother. Got it.
0:25:40.6 S2: Okay, so now we’ll go to manifesting generator, which you and I are. So talk about that.
0:25:45.6 S1: Some manifesting generators are MGs for short. We are here to play. We have to… I don’t know if anyone else watched this cartoon, but… How did you remember the gummy bears cartoon where they drank Tommy berry juice
0:26:00.0 S2: And they bounced… No. Alright.
0:26:01.8 S1: Yeah. And so I was in Long who saw it, but me, we have a bounce energy and that balance, it isn’t like a cheerleader type, it is we bounce something to thing to thing to thing. We are here to experience tons of different things, as I mentioned earlier, I was a marine biologist for a while, and then I got into travel and coaching in personal training, and then into professional coaching, and then human in podcasting and all the things. And that is a manifesting generator needs to be multi-passionate, the other types can be multi-passionate, but an MG must be multi-passionate, so we balance because we will be super passionate about something and we will dive in and we will dive in really deep, but we won’t dive in all the way. Whereas a generator, for instance, dives all the way into the very bottom of the barrel, we’ll go like, I don’t know, sometimes only half way down, sometimes five, six way down. Well, we are designed to get all the way in, we swoop in, IoT, move on. We got what we need, and then we move on to the next thing.
0:27:14.7 S1: We’re the type where you look back on our lives and you’re like, Oh, it all makes sense.
0:27:20.5 S2: Now I remember hearing that, that angle on manifesting generator, and it made sense of this quirk I had while I thought it was a quirk where when a pre-pandemic, I used to go to a lot of live events from the time I started in business, I just love live events, but there would be a moment where I know, Okay, I got what I came for it, and I would leave. And my colleagues would be like, horrified, we just paid 500 for this ticket. Or whatever it was. And you’re leaving and it’s only an hour and I’m like, Yeah, I know I got what I came for, or I already know. There’s nothing here for me. So I’m out.
0:28:04.4 S1: Yes, this literally happened for me today, we have a 11-week-old puppy and I left a book on the couch and he showed the corner of it, and then like one that’s totally on me ’cause I wondered when I put it there, that it might be accessible and two, I wrote almost half the book and I really feel like I got what I needed out of it.
0:28:26.8 S2: Yes. Okay, so the generator takes generators, so manifesting generators are a hybrid between manifest ers and generators and generators just pure generators are here, and everything I’m gonna say right now is also true for manifesting generators here to be super duper sparkly. When a generator or a manifesting generator does what lights them up, their energy just gets magnetic and juicy and absolutely irresistible, and that energy that elevates all of the humanity at onerous humanity, all the animals, all the plans, everything. It elevates life on this planet, so a lot of generators are born feeling like they’re here to help people.
0:29:17.9 S1: And as little kids, they get celebrated for doing things I don’t really wanna do, like setting the table or giving away their favorite toy, and so they develop this belief that they’re supposed to sacrifice themselves to make other people happy, that’s like giving someone a parking spot, it’s lovely, but an M and A generator, if they do what really truly lights them up, which just makes them like… So I feel joy bubbles throughout my body when I’m super excited, if an MG and a generator do what makes them super excited, their energy gets super sparkly and that elevates the world, so it is our responsibility, Patton, me as MGs and all the generators out there to do what lights you up.
0:30:06.1 S2: And I will say right now, just for those of you listening, ’cause I know my audience, I know you’re wondering if you don’t already know what your human design is… What’s my human design? So at the end of this interview, Kelsey is gonna give you a link where you can go and get your human design chart, right. Calypso tel, you can get it from me. Yeah, we’re not gonna give it to you yet so that you don’t stop listening to this podcast and go over and get your chart, we’re gonna finish the interview and then you can do that, so
0:30:35.6 S1: Stay on target is… Alright.
0:30:37.9 S2: So let’s switch gears a little and talk about… And this may feel less, use may drop in a little bit less for you if you’re listening and you don’t have your own business, although I’m not 100% sure that that’s true, but this is something that’s super alive for me right now. I’m thinking as a consumer, it… You’ll still feel this, but specifically as an entrepreneur that uses digital systems, that the way that we are, partly because of the pandemic, partly because of the culture, partly because of the evolution, the vibration on the planet, we are being called to examine these systems of marketing that we’re using like this, a podcast social media, the way that you deliver products, the way that you market them, all of it to me needs to be dismantled and rebuilt in my opinion. And so my question to you is, is that because I’m a manifesting generator? Or is this just you, in your opinion, just generally true, but the way that each design is gonna go about approaching… This is gonna be different. I love this question
0:31:59.1 S1: Of Patty, I am feeling it too. I’m feeling ugly. I actually had an interview for my podcast yesterday, and the guest said that… This is the second time she has said this, that she has somebody else impersonating her on Instagram who was sending out like, Come work with me, just pay here, and she’s like, I will never reach out to you, the ads, and I just had this head of Mmm that’s why I’m not supposed to be on social media right now, there are some pieces of our design that is definitely affiliated with going first, there’s a 36 and the solar plexus, which is that going first. The gift of going first is you go first through things, it’s typically through spiritual experiences and emotional experiences, so that then you can guide other people through it, and I have that gift.
0:32:52.6 S2: And that’s perhaps why I retired from social media two years ago.
0:32:58.4 S1: And whether it not as an MGH thing, I think that as MGs, because we bounce so much and are so multi-passionate, we are less likely to get attached to things, and so basically we are amazing pivots, we’re like, Oh, I was gonna go down this road, but it’s blocked. Okay, I’m just gonna… I’m gonna be right. I think we’re much better at that because that is how we live our life than the other types.
0:33:25.0 S2: Interesting, okay, so assuming… And I think for you listening, if you don’t have a business as a consumer of products, ’cause you’re listening to this podcast, so you’re a consumer of digital assets, have you yourself… This is not for you call… So this is for the listener, Have you noticed that the way you’re consuming what you’re willing to consume, what’s worth your time has changed… I know, I personally feel that way. Can you talk about where the other types of human design might be falling either as creators of content and marketing or consumers…
0:34:07.2 S1: Yeah, first, I wanna share that personally, I have been feeling this usually around podcast, I’m a huge podcast listener, I listen to a podcast every morning and I’ve always been really discerning about what I put in my years… Energy has to feel good. And let’s say the last month, I’ve been like… My list has gotten smaller, I’m like, I used to like listening that podcast, but yeah, it’s just like I try it, the words are nice, but the energy just doesn’t feel right for me. Okay, but to answer your question, so I’m looking at the profiles here when it comes to change… I’m gonna finish that sentence there when it comes to change, so power 3-5 and three fives learn through personal experience, what I tell people who love a three-five is biggest waste of time is to tell a three-five what they’re gonna like and not gonna like… Because you don’t know until you experience it for yourself, so the best thing they can do is cheer you on as you try things on, as you constantly experiment and just love you through it.
0:35:23.6 S2: Interesting, my husband does that well, and we’re both manifesting generators, but I don’t know what his profile is, but it’s definitely not that…
0:35:32.3 S1: Definitely a… Well, I’m a four, six, and we are here for going deep, and we love humans, but we really hear for that deep connection. And I think one of the things I was feeling when I retired from social media is like, I wanna go deep or not, this is a deep… This isn’t working for me, I’m not feeling it. There are… Let’s also just look at… So the four line, when I’m getting kind of in the nitty gritty here, but when I say a 4-6, that is a four-line in S6 line in The fouling, we’re here for our people, we’re not here for strangers. And we are not here to convert the non-believers, the five line that you have, Patty, that’s… To connect with everyone. You can go ahead and talk to… It’s not that I don’t talk to strangers, I love strangers, ’cause I never know who my people are until I’m in it. Yeah, but that is another thing to look at. Yeah, there’s just so much to look at when it comes to evolution that may or may not be in our charts, and there are other things like you are made for strategy, I’m not made for strategy that could affect the timing and the feeling like It’s time, ’cause you’re talking about it’s time to change strategy, right.
0:37:02.8 S2: I think so, and it’s… Yeah, it’s interesting ’cause for the kind of profile that I have or just not to take the profile and say, This is how this profile acts, I’m just seeing in the context of what you just described, I’m at the stage of knowing it doesn’t work, but not yet at the stage of knowing what specifically is going to fall away, I’m going to have to go through everything in you don’t buy line item like it’s fascinating ’cause it’s the old banker in me, I don’t know if it’s because of my banking or just because the WAM belt. Okay, is it all social media or is it a few social media, you know, is it all… Whatever, or break it and go through it. And so I haven’t done that.
0:37:58.1 S1: Yeah, and of course, that’s how you need to go through it because there’s a three-five, you need to feel into everything, and I mentioned before we started recording that all of my friends who are three fives have been saying for literally two years, yeah, I gotta get off social media, and they’re still on and there is obviously nothing wrong with them, but because you need to learn through personal experience, you need… Your personal experience is in the social media, you get off at the right time, if that’s the right thing for you…
0:38:29.7 S2: Yes. And where does that conditioning that you talked about in the fear of… You know, so just because that’s my design, they’re still a voice in my head that says, we put all of this energy into something, whatever it is, and you know how can you leave it behind? Eventually, I will, but there is always that mid-point where the voice of fear rears up…
0:39:05.9 S1: Yes, so you are going to all of our open centers, which is when you’re looking at your chart, it’s the centers that are white, that is where you’re gonna fail and amplify other people’s energy, and you have an open crown and an open Ana. And again, your crown is actually totally open and your arena is officially undefined, so that means you’re gonna feel and amplify mental pressure, you’re gonna feel and amplify the should, and you’re gonna feel and amplify other people’s beliefs as someone with an open… Any… You’re designed to see all 800 sides of an issue and not to have one solid perspective, your natural state is like a wide open Montana sky, and when somebody else’s belief gets in there, it’s worlds around like a tornado and causes total suffering. What you need to remember, and everyone who is an open one needs to remember is that truth will fall into our bodies, so if it doesn’t fall into your body… It’s not your truth.
0:40:16.1 S2: I love this, I love it. So why don’t we take everyone out of their small amount of tension of where they can find out what their human design is and tell them where they can get their human design cars through you.
0:40:33.7 S1: Yeah, you can go to calcio dot com, there’s a pop-up there, it’ll guide you right to the place where you can get a free chart, and I’ll tell you a little bit bit about your chart because I personally will email you your chart, you just need to have your birth date, your birth place, please remember to include the whole city and state and… Or country, I’ve learned a lot of geography from this because a lot of people forget to include the state or the country, so I’ve learned a whole lot of random places and your exact birth time, which is hopefully on your birth certificate, and if it’s not on the copy of oversight, you have, you can likely request a full copy from the city you are born in.
0:41:20.5 S2: Yes. That is an important piece of data that you will need for your human design, so C, so now you have something you can do to discover your human design, and then also do you work with people with their human sin… What does that look like?
0:41:37.8 S1: My favorite way in to work with people is through coaching, using human design as a reminder, that’s like, Well, why are you beating yourself up for… For instance, I had a client recently, peds got herself up for making sloppy PowerPoint slides, and I’m like, Look, you do not have any of the gifts that are paying attention to details, you’re not designed to be the super detailed person. Don’t try and be that person. So we use human designs simply as a consistent reminder of, There is a way your soul chose for you to do this and you get to do it that way, you don’t have to keep getting on The Struggle Bus and trying to do it another way, for instance, if you and I hate were both designed for consistency, and we put the example I wanted, cars were both designed for deep focus, which means if we wanna get work done, we don’t listen to music, we just focus on the thing we are supposed to focus on, some people have what I call ER focus as an emergency room focus, they are gonna thrive when they’re listening to now podcast, listen to music, watching a movie, walking six dogs, having a conversation all at the same time, and that’s when they’re gonna be at their most focused
0:42:53.9 S2: And I need to ask you about the scent, do you find that that corresponds with people who are born with ADHD? Oh.
0:43:02.4 S1: That… No, I can a little bit, but I digress with the ADHD in college, I find other places that the ADHD shows up in the chart, and I do think any manifesting generator, just… It doesn’t matter what else is in your chart, if you’re a manifesting generator, chances of you being diagnosed with ADHD or labeled with ADHD are pretty high.
0:43:28.0 S2: Interesting. So in my family, in my home is my husband myself and my two kids, my husband myself, and one of my children are manifesting generators, and the other child is a projector and… Tell me what that looks like to be part of a home here, and of course, we don’t operate exactly the same way for the profiles and all the other more detailed, but we do sort of have a bowling china shop energy to assert, extent and project your child does not. Alright.
0:44:10.0 S1: So let me speak directly to you. Project your child, you don’t have an engine like the rest of your family, so you wanna spend… Most of your energy is, within your control, is gonna be on taking in information, and then a little bit of your energy will be spent on guiding people, that’s gonna be the most energetically expensive thing for you, the most important thing perhaps for you to know other than creating the invitation, which remember, you can create it at any time, just say, Can I share something? Is that you don’t know what enough is enough.
0:44:50.8 S2: So I’ve heard of projectors calling into conference calls when they are throwing up sick and just muting call to actually vomit.
0:45:03.0 S1: The projectors say they don’t know when to stop eating, they don’t know when to stop drinking, they don’t know when to go to bed, they’ll just watch TV into the night, and it can show up at a restaurant, for instance, so you… As a projector, you’re gonna feel an amplify other people’s desires, so it’s super important that you spend time alone in your own energy to figure out what you want, so imagine you go out to dinner with friends. And your best bet is going to be to look at the menu ahead of time. Figure out what you want and maybe even write it down on a piece of paper and keep it with you, and then ideally order first, because as soon as other people start saying what they want, you’re just gonna say, Oh, that sounds so good. And you’re gonna have it too, or you’re gonna order it too, and then it’s gonna come and you’re gonna be like, Oh, that’s not what I wanted.
0:45:53.2 S2: That’s fascinating, ’cause project or child always looks at the menu and decide what project or child wants before we get there, so, good job. Protection shikari. Well, any last towards a wisdom. Kelsey, this has just been so much fun. I’m so glad you that we got
0:46:09.0 S1: In… This is so fun, party. I love the whole conversation, just to remember that we are all perfect, we are all designed for ease, we are all designed to do life in this amazingly unique fashion, and one of the things I love about human design is that it gets rid of the whole concept of telling other people that they’re doing life wrong, we’re all meant to do life differently, and that is what makes it so amazing.
0:46:40.3 S2: I love that, I love that. Alright, so you can find Kelsey, like she said, on her website, we’ll put the link below. That’s also where you can get your human design chart and on the finder. Awesome Podcast. And I think it… Maybe we’ll link to the episode… The last episode I did with you. If that’s okay.
0:46:59.7 S1: Yes, absolutely. And then let’s scroll back. And I think the episode that we first did together is linked in the more recent one.
0:47:07.9 S2: At that he’s an A, but they’re really good. What’s that? Listen to both. They’re really good, are… ’cause you are an awesome interviewer, and that story in the first episode, Patty of out flying, I still think of it very frequently. Alright, we’re gonna link to those episodes and definitely check out the more recent episodes with current guests are… Kelsey, thank you so much for being here.
0:47:33.9 S1: Thank you for having me, Patty, this has been amazing. Alright, and you listener, you make space for magic and go get your human design chart, you can learn more about yourself through this incredible tool kit. Alright, thanks everyone. Hey, thanks for listening. If you know someone who needs to hear this message, please share this episode with them, and if you’re feeling really generous, I’d love for you to leave us a review at your favorite podcast app, it helps us reach many more people and it fills my heart with so much joy when I hear what you have to say about what I’ve shared. I’m cheering for your success, have an amazing day, and don’t forget. Always create space from magic.
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