Patty has a special guest today. She’s joined by Debbie Adams, a member of the Receiving School. Patty wanted to chat with her because Debbie has embodied resilience and strength.
She is the owner of PeopleCan business training. She teaches “entrepreneurs without an business bone in their body how to love making money.” You’ll love her energy and the enthusiasm she brings to the conversation.
Hear how her military background helps her to be bold in business. It’s a combination of community, work and taking action. Find out why her apprenticeship approach works for so many and why she approaches everything with a learning mindset.
She talks about revealing the low points so others can be inspired by what is possible. From this place, we can still make progress in life. Hear her personal story and find out why her honesty about her financial problems helped her business. She made others realize they could also tackle hard things and see progress.
Many people are now feeling called to do their life’s work for reasons other than money. Debbie specializes in helping people called to do “their work” learn how to charge money for it. Her model teaches others by leaning on her ability and knowledge first until they realize what is right for them.
“When you monetize what you do you are still serving.”
Debbie explains why the apprenticeship model works so well. This is a great way to understand the mindset of serving through entrepreneurship. She explains that whenever we step away from one way of serving, it provides the opportunity for someone else to show up.
If the work that you are doing feels like a drag, it’s time to reevaluate. When you are doing the work that’s your life’s purpose, it will bring joy explains Debbie.
Final thought: what are you avoiding? Patty and Debbie discuss embracing the fear when you know that thing is exactly what you need to do!
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0:00:04.3 S1: Welcome to the space for magic podcast where people who are led by their hearts come to learn the secrets to receiving all the gifts the Universe has for us. I’m your host, Patty Lennon. I’m an ex-type a corporate banker turned intuitive coach. Using a blend of common sense, brain science, and just a dash of magic, I’m here to help you create abundance in every area of your life and business. Welcome. Hello everyone, welcome to this episode of the space for magic podcast, and today, my guest is Debbie Adams. Now, I came to know Debbie through the receiving school, and that’s part of the reason why I wanted her to join us, but the main thing that stood out to me about Debbie is how much she is able to not just rise up to challenges that are put in front of her. But I think perseverance and resilience are words that get thrown around, and what they look like in an embodied sense isn’t always clear, and yet Debbie seems to have mastered these pieces of the human journey, or at least it feels like that from my perspective, and I’m gonna let her share that.
0:01:25.2 S1: Professionally, Debbie is… She’s a veteran, she is a mother, and she is a business coach. She helps entrepreneurs who don’t have a business bone in their body, make lots of money… That’s her take on it. So with that, welcome, Debbie.
0:01:43.9 S2: Thank you, Patti. I’m so glad to be here.
0:01:46.6 S1: So tell everyone where you live in the world, ’cause I know we’ll all hear your accent and… Yes, yes, go ahead.
0:01:54.8 S2: Well, my accent comes from Newfoundland, I’m from Newfoundland That’s why I have this accent, but I live in Halifax, Nova Scotia right now, which is not very far away and not far away from you.
0:02:06.7 S1: Yes, and I love your accent. And you’re right, but not physically far, but a world away, let’s really be honest about that, so you know, you had put a post on social media this morning, and it was so intriguing to me because it was all about boldness, and I think there’s a lot of people in the world actually feeling stagnant right now, and I felt the energy in your post, and I was just wondering if you could share a bit about what you say, what the post said in your own words and then… You know how you got to this point.
0:02:51.8 S2: Yeah, it’s interesting that we’re talking about this ’cause when I write those posts, I don’t really think about them too much. It’s just kind of inspired, just words that I need to say, but you had mentioned something about inspired action, and I wanted to write that post to talk about how lately I’ve been inspired to do really bold things, but it’s not new for me, and when you mentioned that earlier, it got me thinking about how my military service really prepared me to type all the action, because the way that military people look at any activity is that we don’t worry about failing, we have an attempt, we go back and regroup. When we do an after action review and then we attempt again, so it’s never about failing once and then slinking away, right. It’s always about being better the next time, so
0:03:46.2 S1: I wanna clarify, do you believe that that… ’cause that’s really the heart of resilience, do you believe that that is a skill, is that learned or is it inherent?
0:03:57.7 S2: Great question. I grew up in… I had a difficult childhood, and I think I needed to be resilient there… A lot of people who end up in the military Patty, between you and I are people who need a stability there. They arrived with resilience. But I think that the environment fosters that resilience as well and supports it, and whenever alone, we have this built in community of support and whenever acting on our own, so I think it’s a place… It really helps to grow it. Interesting.
0:04:34.1 S1: Well, I would say though that to have a difficult childhood, there’s lots of people that really feel that their childhood is what broke them, you know, it is the reason they’re not resilient.
0:04:50.8 S2: Yes, and even I just say that I know that people… I know people first lose… We’ve had more difficult childhoods and I bet and haven’t moved ahead as well as I am. I’ve done a lot of work, I’m 58 years old, I don’t mind saying, and it’s a combination of everything in my life that has brought me to this place where… I really don’t care what people think of me. I use the apprenticeship model in my business coaching because I’m a journey mechanic, that’s my trade, so in apprenticing, we never show up as experts, so we show up needing help of people, so I approach life like that, not as a know it all, but I learn it all…
0:05:38.1 S1: I’m curious what that is like. Where you grew up or in Nova Scotia, ’cause from the culture of the states of showing up and in a Prentice mind shift mindset is not the norm. So I don’t think it’s the norm either, which is why there’s a job for me, which is why this work for me to inspire people to change their mind about this stuff, but I think we’re all capable of showing up like that, and I think if we have more role models where people show up like that, as opposed to… Sometimes when I see people from corporate, for example, given talks, they show up with so much Polish, they’re not talking about all of their mistakes, and that was one of the things I talked about today, was that if we reveal some of our soft spots, other people might be inspired to take action. Because we’re like them. You were talking my language. I’ve been yammerin on this podcast for weeks now about make space for magic, my new book, which I know you’ve been listening to me as well, but that was really at the heart of when the book was originally conceived, was I wanted people to read the journey of the low points, so that they could see, the low points were actually the jumping off point to the really juicy stuff and not…
0:07:05.9 S1: Proof that it wasn’t gonna work.
0:07:08.2 S2: Right, and I think that’s probably why I gravitated to the work that you do, because I got that message in the very early days… I don’t have your book yet, although I’ve ordered copies, but in the early days, the message that was coming across loud and clear was that from this place, when we reveal our underbelly, we’re still able to make progress in life, and that just feels so good and so it was a place where I connect.
0:07:37.3 S1: Thank you. Well, I’m so glad you did. So how is that working for you, either in your business coaching or in the other places you’re showing up right now, what are you seeing people when you’re sharing that way, how are they reacting to it, or where’s the magic coming in from that…
0:07:57.3 S2: Well, I’ll use the example of bankruptcy, so I went bankrupt the year I started my business, as I mentioned, I was forced into entrepreneurship, I had gone to university in my 40s, first generation, The University person applied for 3000 jobs and nobody would hire me. I am legally blind and I have barriers to employment that are exceptional. Somebody had mentioned, why don’t you start a business? I started the business and went bankrupt the same year, so I started without any money, and I didn’t shy away from sharing that about myself, so it was part of what I was bringing, and what has happened, I started with a tax business, so I still have a tax base side text was coaching. When I started to share with people my background, I got more clients, people said, Oh, don’t tell them your bankruptcy, so you know, people won’t like that, and I thought, But my people will, because my people are struggling. And I got more clients, I got men reach out to say, I’m so ashamed of where I am, I let my family down, I’ve had wives that reached out and said, Can you help my husband? Patty, it’s been, I feel like I’m doing ministry, and I feel strongly that I’m called to do this work
0:09:18.0 S1: Now. And oh gosh, you know, that’s touching my heart so much, and I could tell you, You, the listener that having gotten to know Debbie over the last… I guess it’s like nine months. At this point, maybe a year. That’s true. I see you come into the community in that spirit, I see you show up on your own social media, that way in our community, live calls that way, and I feel that way about my own work too, is that at the end of the day is… Did I help someone understand how the Divine really sees them in a deeper way, and usually that is because shame is removed.
0:10:00.5 S2: Right, right. And can I just talk about the divine aspects? I didn’t need more business training when you stumbled into my orbit, what I needed was a deeper connection with the divine, and I’ve talked about this with my friend Sonya. Also in the group with us. What I was raised in, the system I was raised in was no longer serving me, but I wanted something, and I think what you teach Patty is such a gentler concept of how the divine as our back, and I feel that, and it is made… My journey is kind of, if I could say made sense in my journey, everything I’ve gone through has been so I could do the work that I do today, and I know that you can say the same thing about your work, and it seems purposeful and kind and supportive and everything that I wasn’t taught about divine stuff, and
0:11:06.2 S1: I hear you, ’cause it was missing from a lot, I think I got somewhat of a softer version, but it’s crazy though, that in this world where we are all fed at our deepest level were fed by the loving kindness of others that we would come to not know that in the being that created us, right is… I don’t want to speak about your journey since I’ve known you at least, but I know some stuff has come up and actually it’s such a good point because I think with the receiving school and the receiving method, I find that usually the reason people come to it is either there is some type of lack in their life, which wasn’t really your story, or a lot of times it’s… They wanna have a deeper connection across the veil, but it’s usually more from a spirit guide and Angel connection, and I heard something different in what you said, and I’m curious what that journey has been like for you, knowing that’s what you came to the work to do.
0:12:12.9 S2: And so can you clarify what you’re asking me exactly.
0:12:16.6 S1: Yeah, so as you… For a lot of people, when they go through the receiving school or learn the receiving method, for them, it’s like now they’re able to allow in more money or love, or they’re able to talk to their spirit guides, but that really wasn’t your premise for joining… Yours was to have this deeper connection with the divine, and I’m curious what that look like along your journey, ’cause there’s been some road bumps that I know you’ve gone over in your inner work, and what kind of jumps out to you as you’ve taken this… What surprised you, what’s been your biggest learning curve or… Anything you wanna share?
0:12:54.0 S2: So I had been in a few groups prior to your group, Look, I’m just looking for a group of like-minded people recently, when you’ve done a lot of work on yourself, you’ve changed… I’ve changed, I’ve grown away from people in my life, and I just needed to fill a void, I guess, and I… And I found into receiving school, just like mine, people who were talking about the things that mattered to me, they weren’t talking about make money or how to do your marketing, which important concepts, I teach… Some of that stuff, but that’s not what I needed. I was at a point where I knew that I needed to get in a group of people who really cared about what was going on in… And not that I mind making money, don’t get me wrong, but I just sense that in the very early days… Well, you know how I ended up in your group, I listened to April for two Adam’s podcast, and you were… Yes, and that very… Man, I went over to your website and you were selling to receiving School and I signed up that minute… Amazing. Or I contacted you.
0:14:02.1 S2: That was right. I did, I sent, you know, and then I signed up the next day or something. But anyway, it was just… And I find in my life, this is how my life has been, so if I accept that the tragedy of losing my career, of losing my driver’s license and my marriage failing and bankruptcy and all of the stuff, does this happen is Let me hear. Then what I’m doing right now, or what I’m struggling through right now is leading me to my next place, so then I have to ease into that, I’m in like a today, things are not great, but it’s purposeful. That’s how I feel.
0:14:43.1 S1: And that to me would be that energy of resilience that I was so amazed by in your journey, even from what I’ve heard about your journey before I knew you, you early on when we were talking about what you do, when you talked about helping entrepreneurs who don’t have a business bone in their body, make money, and I love that because I think for the first time in the evolution of humanity people or being called into creating their own businesses through their own work for something other than an entrepreneurial spirit. Yes, and I’m curious what you are seeing where your work touches on people’s callings versus maybe just seeing an idea and knowing they can make money at it and going for it, how does their relationship to money intersect with their work?
0:15:46.2 S2: Well, many of the people that I meet, first of all, they could be forced in to entrepreneurship in the same way that I was… Now, I will say that I was a high performer who lost all of my capacity to earn because I’m a mechanic, I didn’t have a driver’s license since I can’t do any of that stuff again, so if I meet people who are highly motivated to do their thing, and then they need to put a price tag on, so they’re great at or thing, whatever our thing is, and they consider their thing and coming in a lot of cases. But they’re not so great. Are charging for it, so I have to help them with that. But the bigger thing that I think the… I often get called, Debbie, is to charge large gal or whatever it is, because I try and normalize money, but really what I’m about is helping people step into those places where they have absolutely zero confidence in stepping… So I use the apprenticeship model of business coaching, which means that you get to really lean on my carriage… Will you take that step? I’m holding you up about 70…
0:16:54.0 S2: I’m doing 70% of it work to hold you up, just like when I was a young mechanic in the military and somebody said, Oh, let me show you the trick, the Trade, you’re making us way too hard. And so people lean on me, and then I model the behavior or whatever it is that… Whatever it is that they need to learn. And then they amaze themselves. Then they do that, like I did that. And it’s like, Yeah, yeah, I know it. You just needed to learn.
0:17:24.4 S1: And do you find that the doing is asking for more money…
0:17:29.8 S2: Oh no, sometimes it’s figuring out, this is why I say I’m in a pivot space, a lot of times people come to me for more money, but we end up going somewhere else, because the thing they come to me trying to monetize it isn’t the question they’re asking. They’re asking what you’re supposed to be doing, so what I’m doing is a little bit of discernment and helping them to out what they’re supposed to be now, it’s so unfortunate that we live in an economy where money matters because some people are called to do things where money is not important, but let’s face it, you’re not to pay the bills on good will. See, money is important, but you know, I am a woman with a heart to serve or had to move to a profit motive. in the military, we did not… In my day, I joined in 1980, we did not get paid what we were worth, but we served to access… Now I’m an utter, I need to get paid what I’m worth, I am the person Polsat labor. It’s not somebody else, so I help people make that shift. That when you monetize what you do, you’re still serving, you’re not trivial-zing what you do because you put a price tag…
0:18:48.1 S1: And what would you say to someone that says… Just ’cause I know you have… You’ve done business coaching for so many years, and I know a lot of the people listening might be either the first description in gave, they’re thinking of starting the business, or they have a business because of a calling or because of the pandemic or some other factor. They are a forced entrepreneur… Right, and they’re in that situation. Do you find that once they are making more money, and maybe it’s before they’re making the money, but when they know that they can ask for more money, that the fear that the person that they’ve come to serve or help may not be able to pay for that service and then that puts them in conflict with themselves or why they think they have a business or any of that kind of… Inner dilemma?
0:19:43.0 S2: Yes, absolutely, 100%, because even as you mentioned it, it was my dilemma, and it’s definitely my clients dilemma, and I would just probably a coach this stuff. But I think what happens, Petty is that in the early days when I was developing the chops for entrepreneurship, I couldn’t charge what I was worth. I was attracting people who couldn’t pay what I was worth, so let’s zoom out for a moment and think about this from an apprenticeship perspective, they were the perfect clients for me to have… That was where I was. But when I got to a place where I could… And when my clients get to a place where they can charge large, when I developed confidence and then they need to let these clients go, I get them to do a couple of things. First of all, I get them to have some kind of a social enterprise in their business, so for example, at tax time, I do 20X returns for low-income seniors and that passes that need for me to give it because I love serving, but at the same time, you’re letting go of people who are gonna go with the new coaches that are coming up, you need to develop skills, charge large, and they can’t yet, but they need to develop skills around running a little conference on a weekend with people who can afford to pay…
0:21:02.1 S2: Well, they’re not expert yet, so they’re in the apprenticing role and they’re cycling through that, the adult learning arc, and when they get better, when they understand, you know what happens as we get better, we start to see people or charging way more than we do, and we say, I’m just as good as they are, I should be getting paid the thousands of dollars to speak or whatever, and we start to yearn for that, but we have this conflict inside of ourselves that if I do that will I be sacrificing this part of me who is about service and I say No, because now 10 years in, I serve a different segment of population, it’s still service…
0:21:50.4 S1: That’s so fascinating, and I’m curious to your thoughts on something, something else, and this may come back to bite me in the ass, and three in three years that I’m saying this, and it’s because I believe you stop doing the day… This is the last year you’re doing the tax work. Rate about that, yes. Okay, so that’s the context for this question, ’cause I never thought about it the way you just talked about it, which is, as we evolve in what we’re doing, the client we’re meant to work with evolves and a more evolved client typically is going to invest more money because I think there is a relationship between the money we put into something and the commitment, it doesn’t mean that the right person can’t have commitment with a low investment, I just find that the evolution of the whatever it is, the more money someone’s investing in it, they tend to be more committed or more ready maybe, or whatever. Do you believe there’s an evolution in business where you suddenly are so almost beyond that work that you just need to… I’m so offering this question so poorly, but it’s like, Okay, so you’re charging more and you’re charging more ’cause you’re working with a more evolved client, more involved client.
0:23:11.7 S1: Is there a part of the evolution where suddenly it means you just have to get out of the gig because you’ve just evolved to the point where it no longer is inspired action?
0:23:22.5 S2: Yes, 100%. So I’ll give you a couple of examples from my life, and you mentioned about tax being one of them, gets to its time, it isn’t where it’s become an anchor, it’s holding me back from the next level of what I feel is my calling. So I have this book of clients and I loved them Patty. I mean they have served me well, I’ve served them well, and I really care about them, but they’re not allowing me to be my best self… My best in business. So I need to let them go. About five years ago, I started the network and group, it was a community group, and again, after about two years in as much as I love the work that we did together, I was sacrificing for the group and the group were no longer serving my needs as a business person, and it was a really good business sense to let that go. But again, there’s always somebody… Whenever we step away, and I’m like you, I think when I listen to your background about that, I’m a recovering perfectionist, I was to go to person for everything. For everybody around me, I have mad skills in lots of different areas, but when I step away from that group, for example, somebody else had to grow as a leader in my contract with the divine, I’m not any more special than that somebody else to step away, somebody else steps up in leadership, maybe they do it better than I do, maybe the community absorbs or meet their needs in a different way, or whatever it is, so I always look at it like, we have to…
0:25:08.6 S2: We’re gonna evolve. If you don’t, if you’re not gonna end up anywhere. But as we evolve, we let go… This is just part of the business cycle. And you mentioned about people paying more money as they… As they evolve and grow as business people, but I think we just start to understand the economics of business, so for me to invest, say 10000 a year in my own development is quite natural for me now, 10 years ago, I could barely spend… Not because I didn’t have money to spend 97 bucks for a little program, but I didn’t see the return on investment, I didn’t understand the economics of business, and so I don’t know if that’s a conflict to answer your question, but I hope you got something from…
0:25:55.7 S1: No, I think it’s… Yeah, it’s totally clear me, and the reason I was even asking the question why I said it’s gonna come back to buy me as is because I left business coaching to do the receiving school and this work full-time partially because I didn’t feel the inspiration inside the work anymore, even though that the work and the nuance of the work, he growing and growing and growing. There was a piece of it that was super alive, which was that receiving piece, but the rest of it just felt perfunctory to me, and that’s not because the clients that I could potentially be working with have any less of a spiritual journey to take with money or marketing or sales or anything else? Just for me, on my journey, it was no longer a match…
0:26:47.0 S2: That’s right. So I think that I won’t be shocking you if I say that when we’re doing what we’re supposed to be doing or what to define would like for us to do, we’re gonna get a tremendous amount of joy. It isn’t gonna feel like a slog every day… Yeah, I think that’s the litmus test that if the work that you’re doing feels like a drag, you wanna be re-evaluating what you don’t think is purely ego-driven, or are you doing what you’re called to do? And this is the other thing, this is why I love being a receiving school because I think I’m in the company of people who are really operating from that feeling of really even up to a colleague and monetizing that colleague, so they’ve balanced that.
0:27:32.5 S1: Yeah, and the receiving school, the community is not entrepreneurial per se, so what would you say to someone… ’cause for the longest time you… Neither were you… What would you say to someone listening, ’cause we’ve been talking a lot about this in the receiving school, as you know, is like this feeling of cloudiness, of confusion of not knowing where to go next is pretty pervasive across humanity right now. Yes, and I think when the issue of money arises and gets blended in there, it makes it extra hard because money really is… The thing we’ve learned from day one is important controls, power has power over our own sense of safety and significance, so when you’re feeling this business, you don’t need a business to deal with this, when you’re filling this cloudy of What comes next, I don’t understand what’s being asked of me. And then also, money is an issue, you need to make money, you’re out of work, you need to make more money, or you need to switch a job to feel more purposeful, but it doesn’t come with the money. What advice would you give someone who’s in that space right now…
0:28:48.4 S2: I guess it would depend on the individual. Now, I wouldn’t have because myself, for example, I like adventure and travel and do all kinds of stuff, it’s no good to say to me, Well, you can go over here and be very fulfilled in your work, but you’re gonna have to live off the grid and the tiny, that’s not gonna suit my personal… So if somebody wants to make that choice and they’re extremely fulfilled doing work that I wouldn’t consider doing, and they’re filled with joy, and that’s great, but whenever I… So I’ve written a book on money mindset, and one of the things I talk about in there is what I learned when I was a kid, that it was easier for a camel to fit through an eye of a needle, than it was for a rich man to get into, and so that set us up to develop an unconscious bias against money, and when that unconscious bias is upgrading, we’re gonna be triggered by all things money, but if we find that and get rid of it and debug and stick pin in it, and then realize that money is… Just a commodity. It’s an exchange of value and all of that, all of the stuff that people like to say that’s jargon for a lot of people, but it can become your reality, then we can go out in the world and monetize some of what we do and not feel like bad people.
0:30:17.7 S2: So if you’re somebody who’s needs are get met or you’d like something as simple as taking the family on a vacation, you could… I show people all the time, some little thing that they do that they can monetize, as a matter of fact, Patty because we have an issue here, and I don’t know if you have it there, but a lot of people have built businesses over their lifetime, 20-30 40 years, they no longer have families to take over these businesses, and people don’t wanna buy them because you’re not… We’re in a different kind of economy. People can probably fast track some of that stuff now, and I teach this older business owners of Reno revenue streams by teaching other people to do what they did, so that the new outcomes can fast track on what they’re doing, and I get resistance from them, not because of the money, because they’ve made lots of money, but because of the learning it, you can’t teach an old dog new tricks. So what do you mean? You want me to coach into binding on the government tender or whatever the case may be. So all of that in there is debunking any attachment, and I know you have a background in Psychology, but if you have an attachment to money and you’ve got that in the eval category, we have a problem.
0:31:35.4 S2: Truth.
0:31:36.5 S1: That is true. So I’m gonna switch gears on you. You are in the process of doing 50 speaking gigs in 50. Is it weeks? Are you doing the 5-50? Yeah, the thing that I find so fun is that I know you just heard me say that in passing, I think… Right, I haven’t talked about that and quite a bit.
0:32:01.4 S2: It was in another podcast, a podcast where you were a guest and you have to throw it out there… Well, I gotta tell you, when I see people that are doing stuff that I like, I do what they do. It’s why reinvent the wheel. So I thought, Oh, I wasn’t that interesting. I’m gonna do that, but when I got started, I said that I wanted to speak about everything, but business, I speak about everything that I like to think and talk about, so whether it’s women or raising children or anything… And this is my ninth week, and actually just morning, somebody dropped off a dozen butter tarts and roses for me, because I spoke at Zonta Club last week, and I talked about the education of at-risk adults, I’m talking about anything. I just loved that. And this is, if anybody wants to set the Goths, it takes a tremendous amount of courage to put yourself out there and say, I’m gonna talk for free, that’s the other thing, and has to be free over and about what I know, and they do. And reaching up to people, but I’m finding petty that when I speak at one group, I’ll ask them if they have somebody else, some other place where I can talk, and they’re connecting me.
0:33:16.1 S1: Yeah. Well, and it’s so funny. So the reason I brought that up was back in the day, circa 2015, I wanna say I was talking a lot about this 50 in 50, right. And I was talking to a pretty big audiences, audiences, where I was on the stage about how to grow your speaking platform, so these people were there presumably to learn ways to grow their speaking platform, and I have taught the concept just to the idea of the challenge I’ve offered to many, many people, and I would say hundreds, but probably at this point thousands, if I include people who took the course and everything, very few people follow through with it. So that’s where I actually was gonna go. Because again, it comes back to this resilience and this persistence is… And it’s that courage because for a lot of people, that challenge, you could throw it out, there’s a million other challenges you could talk about, it’s not that specific one, but I find it fascinating. I was gonna ask you what was the mental process you had, ’cause I think this goes to the resilience or the persistence or the making things happen, you heard this in passing, thought it sounded like a good idea, but as you said, it takes courage.
0:34:41.0 S1: What happened in between the lines of what I just said, that got you to the place where you’re at…
0:34:47.8 S2: Well, maybe I have done it so many times so that I don’t like I could collapse all of that into a virtue, I have my next talk the next day, not very much had to happen for me, but I do that Patty, I jump into stuff and then sometimes it’s terrible, and I just, of course, correct. And clean it up and do it again. So nothing much has to happen for me to do it, but in the very early days, keeping in mind at 10 years ago, I would never have been invited on podcasts because I was not a great oral communicator, I’m a writer, and so I couldn’t speak in front of people, and now I’ve spoken in front of maybe 600 and at one time, I mean… And so in the very early days when I was starting to learn to speak, people were encouraging me to do different stuff, I was absolutely mortified. Now I did it and I’m always gonna do it. I always say Yes, I’m a yes Gal, but I was mortified. And I kept saying to myself, being a way to find a part process, Debbie, instead of… Because he says My lines, being moritfied part the process, let’s just breathe into that, so that’s Friday process.
0:36:03.3 S1: You just hit on the head is rather than try to avoid mortification is embrace mortification as one of the steps. Right. That’s good stuff there. I’m just gonna make sure if you’re listening, think about what you’re avoiding, that feels like you would wanna do it right, it went through your head, it let you up, but something stopped you because you might embarrass yourself, that could very well be the pathway to your next greatest biggest experience. Exciting part of your journey. Do you agree with that, Debbie?
0:36:40.1 S2: And even as you were speaking, I was thinking about the first speech to the game was at the library, and I talked about… I had all mothers there with children that were disabled, and my talk was about how contender ship is the only viable option, if you have a disability, I think you’re wasting time trying to be down doors that people don’t want to open for you that… My TA, I could… Aral get three since so petty, I knew what I want to say. I had written about this, but I just… Every time I tried to talk about it, everything about my color bolas frozen, but I pushed through, I remember reminding myself that I’m not gonna get on the other side of this unless I just do it, so I ended up in The of that time just Bolton my eyes hole because you know, I’m telling my story, it’s not really processed. But all the house moms came up to me afterwards and told me how much he… I gave them because they had children that were gonna face barriers to employment, and they had gifts, and I was telling them that they could help those children monetize, so skips and one lady at a child was non-variable and I said, So, I’m visually impaired.
0:38:00.9 S2: So there’s stuff that I cannot do, dominion things I cannot do, and 10 minutes that I can do, by the way, but I get the people to do the things I can’t do. So for your nonverbal, you’ll get other people to help get whatever he has to market, you know… But I digress, getting back to the pushing through, that was the beginning and the impact, because your audience loves to see you struggle through with grace and knowing that you need to get your message out or whatever it is you’re trying to do, but then impacting people in that way, that was enough for me. I mean, I was doing it again very quickly, so… Yeah.
0:38:43.6 S1: That’s awesome. Well, Debbie, thank you so much for sharing your wisdom here, I’m curious one, if you have a quick link to the book about money mindset, I’m sure people be interested in that. Otherwise, we can just put it in the show notes. Any last thoughts you wanna share? Words of wisdom.
0:39:02.7 S2: I do not… The only thought I would wanna share what your audience Betty is my college men that… You’ve got a gift. Crowther, we go. Thank you.
0:39:16.6 S1: You are such a pleasure. And what about the book? Should we just look to put that in the show notes, or do you know a link off the top of your head…
0:39:24.3 S2: It’s only an tone book is on Amazon, it’s called Money Mindset in.
0:39:29.2 S1: Okay, there you go. Thank you so much for being with us today, Debbie.
0:39:34.9 S2: Thank you for the opportunity, party.
0:39:37.0 S1: And for you listening, I hope you found whatever it was you were looking for inside this podcast episode, but what I most want you to take away is that the kernel, that beautiful kernel that oftentimes fear of shame, fear of embarrassment keeps us from my greatest path and Debbie is certainly an example of what it looks like when you don’t let that stop you, so I wish that for you and all the magic in the world… Have a great day. Hey, thanks for listening. If you know someone who needs to hear this message, please share this episode with them, and if you’re feeling really generous, I’d love for you to leave us a review at your favorite podcast app, it helps us reach many more people and it fills my heart with so much joy when I hear what you have to say about what I’ve shared. I’m cheering for your success, have an amazing day, and don’t forget. Always create space for Magic. This
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